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When we moved up river a bit after that didn't you get a couple more tugs? Yeah I was like crap man I hopehe gewts something, cause I had those beauty ones in the morning, wish I got that one that I lost when you tried to net it, looked much bigger then the other ones that I got, but oh well.

Andy, sweet casting pics. The only thing I think my olympus is miss, damn it I need to stop buying rods and start buying cameras I like this trout Andy

If I am able to get out I will diffently comeo ut and check it out, good luck.

MMMMMM Bacon, where's the cake?

Its not that I do not care about it, but I do not go around whinning and crying about it. In the NFL there is a saying, the game they just played is in the past and it is time to focus on the game ahead of them. A lose is a lose but does it do any good to come onto a public forum and bash the team that you care about, I think not. That was my point, end of discusion!

I just love how some of the so called "TRUE" calgary fans get their panities all tied up in a knot when we are losing (Even though we are in 1st in our division) and then are all like yeaah we rock as soon as we win.... As for Curtis I think he has done well, against Detriot, which is a hard team to play against he lost in OT, which for a rookie goaltender (Yep I consider him a rookie cause last year he didn't really play much till he got sent down to the minors so we could have cojo, which really never panned out for us) is something for Curtis to be proud of, there are alot of GOOD GOLIES out there that get owned by Detroit. And not to be mean to Curtis but in the NHL he is still a kid, but a kid with alot of potiental. Like lets really think about it for a second, if he was something truely great like some people would like to make him out to be, then do you think he would be a backup? Right now Curtis needs to grow as a goile, and play more pro games and develope as a player. Also look at how long Kipper sat on the bench before beeing traded to calgary. I think Kipper will do fine for us and if we keep on DEVELOPING CURTIS then we could have a good replacement for kipper when Kipper steps down.

I also alow my line to dang downstream then just pick the line up and snap it forward to were I want to go. I think using a mid belly would be wrong cause like a scandi or skagit it is designed to cast the whole line, and would be much more underline if trying to cast roughly only a quarter of the head (52 foot mid-belly) apposed to using a scandi line where you are casting roughly half the head. I have been playing around with the Northwest Skagit heads and I like them for fishing within that 15 to 50 foot range. I can pretty much use my two hander in any type of situation but prefeer to use my single hander only when tossing small dries, night fishing when I can't see my achor, small streams such as the crow and livingston, and off the boat. What I would suggest is when Brain Nyskia comes to town for the Loop school to difently take that and if you wish to learn about long lines wait till speyghillie comes. Both these guys have been teaching for a long time and diffently know how to identifiy flaws in casts and correct them. Also there are a couple of guys here in town that could help you out such as Toolman, Max, Cdone, PPK, etc.... Each of these guys have a diffrent perspective on the two hander and could diffently show any new person a trick or two.

Had nothing to do with tippet, the section we were fishing was just before high water, and still lots of sharp ice in the water, along with alot of shale, most breaks were me breaking off of rocks and what not.

I was out with Toolman one day last year and went through 5 dozen flies, it was a very fustrating day

Vancouver still 8 pts behind calgary and only 1 pts ahead of Min. and edm

Going fishing in a couple of hours, usally up at 5am every morning for work, so today I decieded to take the intitive and tie some flies and argue with you *lol* Oh Gord you think someone like Henrick would bran their name to something that they thought wouldn't work or sell? BTW when you come up I wanna try out your HMS rods

Gord, Not saying that I know everything infact I will be the first one to say I need to learn alot more about Speycasting, and I said SpeyCasting. What I am getting in this thread is that because it didn't work the first time means you just abadon it? Hell no cause if that was true then we would of never gotten to space, how many people died before the first person landed on the moon? If they gave up the first time then we would still be stuck on this rock, but they took their concept and design and took it to the next level. Just because the Zspey comes with a interchangable handle does not mean that Zspey has no faith in their handle like you meantioned before *poke* but in my opion a clearn marketing trick "HEY TRY OUT OUR NEW HANDLES AND IF YOU DON;T LIKE IT SWITCH BACK TO THE TRADITION" As I see it this is nothing but a marketing trick to get the people that are on the fence about buying one to actually buy one cause now they know that if they don;t like the Zspey handle then they can always switch back to the traditional handle without the fear of wasting money on something they bought (Hmmm didn't I say this somewhere before?)

The major hurdle for Zpey is that fly fishing is full of tradition and traditionalists (look at all the guys who still fish bamboo and fiberglass). Radical changes are usually met with fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Marc, I 100% agree with what you say, I remeber alot of people, myself included, say that there is no need for a two hander on the bow, I guess that is why I am more open to new designs and new ideas!

So explain this to me, when loop discounte their Blue Line and came out with the Opti's that meant that Loop did not have any faith in their Blue Lines, and it had nothing to do with better material used or just trying to reintroduce a rod to the market? Not to cause arguements, well okay to cause a argument, lol, your reasoning Gordy does not make any sense. As I see it, the reason the old Zspey's were discountied was because their partneership with Loop was over for whatever reason, thus most likely Loop had the rights to the design and Zspey had to redesign the rod so they could own the rights to it, not saying this is the truth but how I SEE IT. As for having the interchangable handles, I don't see this as a downfall but a positive, not everyone is going to like the Zspey, that is just a simple fact, I think by offering the additional handle it makes someone feel more comfortable that if the Zspey is something they don't like then they didn't waste money a something they will not use, also there might be a time when the Zspey handle might not be the best suit thing for the application that the caster might need. Also when has something ever been designed the first time and was perfect the first time?

Hey Gord, Just curious what length of lines and weight of lines that you saw the guys using? I could see if you were using a mid belly or long belly where some of the problems could occur. Also remeber one of the redesigns was a shorter zspey handle. Also Henrick work for Loop before he left there and went to Serria, and correct me if I am wrong but I do not think Henrick even works for Serria any more. I think the best thing that Zspey did which I think alot of people is not reading is the interchangable handles, so if you don't like the handle, take it off and put on the traditional handle, its that simple. Zspey has won alot of rewards for their new model so something has to be right. I will not make a comment on weather it is bad or good until I have actually tried one out.

Sundin did *hit for the leafs, sure he may of been a leading scorer for the team and maybe (I dunno) in the league, but tell me how many cups does he have? With the amount of money the leafs were paying out before the salary caps you think they would of gottewn some type of talent. I dunno but I don't think they have even made the playoffs since the salary cap

For myself, like gregg, I am more concern with the blank then with thew whole Zspey design (however if it makes my casting alot more easier and if it is something I like then that is a bonus) The thing about this rod that has intrested me is the following 1. Henrik's design, I have watched all of Henrik's DvD's and really respect the guy for his knoweldge, and he is without a doubt one of the best instructors that I HAVE SEE. (Note this is just my theory nothing 100% concret) I think the reason Loop dropped the Zspey wasn't to do with the rod itself but to do with Henrik no longer having any affliation, once again I am just speculating. 2. I am somewhat intrested in the Zspey handle, like I said before, if it makes my life easier then I am all for it, the thing with the handle though is if I do not like the Zspey handle I can change it out to the triditional handle. And for all of you that said you will try my stick if I get one, no ay man, I took the risk of maybe buying one, so you can too..... LOL, we'll see

Hehhehehehehe, I know I can keep up the only thing is can you keep up with me! Also when you get up here I will teach you (LOL) how to use the so called Ladies stick and how to hunt the elusive bow river browns!

All is good but we are still ahead of the oilers by 9 pts, so everything is still all okay, I am just happy to see the cunckleheads way down in the divison.

I have done a little bit of swinnging flies haven't had alot of success a few bumbs here and there, mostly just practicing my casting so not really fishin. Hey gord when you come over you better bring me some good scottish whiskey then I will show you how to drink, lol

Until I see I photo done in the underwater HD then I am not holding my breath. There is a old saying, if its too good to be true then it usally isn't.

I think BJ is just beeing a sore loser, I was reading in the paper following up to the fight that BJ was upset with SPIKE with their primetime show and he said that SPIKE was trying to make him look lazy and what not, by what I saw he was training but decieded to take a little break, the fact that Dana White has to call him up and look in on him just shows how much he really tries. BJ has the making for a great fighter but when you are born with money and have everything given to you it is very hard to motivate yourself into doing something, I think this is what is BJ's problem is, he knows he talent, he knows he can be the greatest in his weight class (lightweight, I don't think he's much of a walter weight fighter) but knowing this and doing this is something diffrent. BJ also is very well known for trash talking his opponents before a fight, I understand this to a extent, he needs to prepare himself mentally, but some of the things he said were uncalled for, like calling GSP a quiter, I have watched GSP for a long time now and he has never quite, people says he quite against his first match against Matt Hughes, but it was document that 1) GSP was going through a very hard time with his family, 2)_ GSP stated that when he fought Matt he was fighting one of his idols and he couldn't even look him in the eys, but once he got over that the next two fights where just purly domination by GSP As far as I am concern GSP is the real deal, I dunno how he will do against Thiageo (You don't get a 14-0 record for nothing) and then if he wins that how well will he do against Anderson. Anderson's biggest advatage is his hieght which allows him to utilizie the mai ti clench very effective, and then put in his speed and agility, wow what a fighter.

No offence Drew but what you said about Tillmen may of been sexual assulat as a kid because his father was a minister is the biggest piece of bullshit I have ever heard of, and if this is a joke it is in very bad taste! Second I don't really give a crap how many articals you post that shows this, what you are talking about is styerotyping people, I have friends that are ministers and you just accused them of potiently doing sexual assualts which I will not put up with. I think you need to think about what you post, cause what you said was unnessassary and you have NO PROOF that your statement is true.

Sorry for the late post but happy birthday you old fart

Happy Birthday, I actually forget what is was like to be 14 Hopefully you have a aswome day!