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  3. I googled Alberta Petty Trespass Act and got to an article summarizing recent changes to the legislation. (https://auma.ca/news/casual-legal-alberta-strengthens-trespass-legislation). Changes in Feb 2020 include increases to fines and clarifying when a landlord is presumed to prohibit access - i.e. doesn't have to post the land as "No Trespassing". "The amendments to the Petty Trespass Act also clarify when notice is no longer required to be provided to a trespasser. The list of areas where notice is now essentially presumed, as provided for in the Petty Trespass Act, includes lawns, gardens, land used for the production of crops or raising of animals, lands surrounded by a fence or natural barrier and lands that are enclosed in a manner indicating the owner’s or occupiers’ intention to keep individuals or animals off the land." So it would seem that where a fence has been set back from the bank, to keep livestock in the field and out of the creek, there is no presumption that the landowner is intending to prohibit access. I'm thinking about Dog Pound upstream of Rge Rd 43 (although I haven't fished that water for several years, so it might have changed since then). Likewise, where a fence is not being actively maintained, is in a condition that would allow livestock to step over the sagging wires and has been like that for a while (I'd say a year at least), there is no presumption of an intent to prohibit access. But all this means nothing if the landowner has posted the land: a sign leaves no room for presumption, it is an express statement of intent, even if the fence hasn't been maintained. Ditto, if a landowner tells you to get/stay off their land, it doesn't matter whether they have posted the land or maintained the fencing. The lack of signage or fencing might give you an excuse for having inadvertently trespassed, but once you are informed of the landlords intent that excuse no longer holds water ... pun intended.
  4. Well, here's a side issue I am wondering about. it seems like some landowners are ok with "mild" trespassing. I am talking about where the fence is clearly set back from the bank to allow a walking trail that parallels the creek (and I assume to keep cattle out as well). So what's the deal with this? How do you guys treat this situation? Because there is no doubt - like this is 100% - that using this trail is indeed trespassing. I could never argue that these trails are below the high water mark; I'd look like an idiot. So...are we allowed to use these trails? As stated, wading a brown trout creek is not always possible. Is it a safe assumption - and for me, it is an assumption - that if there is a clear access from a bridge, and then a trail starts along the creek above the high water mark - I am good to go?
  5. The U of C outdoor rental centre rents packrafts if you maybe want to try one out before purchasing one. https://outdoor-centre.ucalgary.ca/gear-rentals
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  7. You also need to understand that simple human interaction isn’t always simple for some people. A lot of fisherman are introverts, including myself, and go fishing to take a break from people. I’m like Jayhad and avoid all human interactions while i’m out. No fisherman needs unnecessary harrasment/yelling while out recreating in a lawful manner. There is no excuse for trespassing or failing to contact a grazing lease holder for access. However, some of these landowners/lease holders don’t help the situation either. I’ve been chewed out just for phoning a lease holder and requesting access. I grew up in rural alberta and understand the conflict, however some of these landowners/leaseholders need to get their facts straight before trying to bully people off the water.
  8. Good to see you strapping the go-pro on again, GBD ... and Deano, shy as ever. Nice prospecting on a not-so-nice day!
  9. Hey everyone, I got out west for the first time this year on the weekend, On Saturday evening after working later than expected I decided to try and out duel the rainy weather and head into the back country in search of some trout. I drove west and eventually found some clean enough water. The wet stuff caught me here and there but I managed to find enough friendly weather to make it a comfortable day of trout hunting on Sunday. The bigger rivers were high and dirty but I found the major tributary waters to be a little high but mostly quite clear and the little tribs were basically perfect. I fished mostly a dry dropper setup consisting of a Stimmy on top with a bead head Hare's ear nymph as the dropper while exploring the streams. I did tie on a big white streamer for a few minutes while trying to coax a big bull on a tiny stream to meet the inside of my net. I managed to get into a few fish, some small and some of a really nice size ... It turned out to be one of those days where each fish got better and better as the day went on with the best ones coming just before you call it quits and head back home. If you keep searching eventually the beautiful fish will find you. All in all I had a great time for my first outing of the year, I saw some gorgeous nature and some majestic landscapes, met a few wild and native trout along the way and enjoyed a little solitude. I captured some video images of this little adventure for you to enjoy. Check it out and let me know your thoughts. Cheers !! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_1B1JEHA60
  10. Lets hope the water stays high a little longer and we get more rain so the trout get a break
  11. It's not just the east slopes that are busy, went to Dogpound in the lower reaches where I have had very little in the way of crowding, and every access point had one or even two vehicles. Covid has allowed many people the time to hit the waters and they are doing so. Will be a summer that the fish will get hammered.
  12. Couldn't agree with this more. It never hurts to ask and be respectful, I'm not on the side of screw the landowners I do what I want - just to clarify. I can count on one hand how many dicks I've had run-ins with, but you don't forget them. I kinda like jayhad's idea of posting locations, it would be funny as hell but sabotaging.
  13. I agree with you about the hunting and road allowances, too. That's almost a whole other topic... And I agree 100% it makes brown trout fishing much more difficult when you have to walk through the creek, in a perfect world I agree we could all get along and hey you know what if you have to go through a guys pasture for 40 yards to preserve a run, it would be great, it's just hard to stay on the right side of legal. And absolutely the right evenings you can have a hell of a night in a couple hundred yards of water. It's the days where you have to cover a whole heap of water to pick up a few fish. I think there's some good debate here and that's what it's about.
  14. For me the eastern slope streams have always just been the occasional mid-week day trip runs, especially during summer holidays/camping season. Some really good dry fly action to be had in September and even into October if the weather co-operates and then you can avoid the crowds!
  15. Sorry to hear it lads. Honest to GOD this was a huge fear for me once I realized the COVD thing was here for whatever duration. What I can't figure is where do people get the $$$ to buy much more than groceries, mortgage/rent, utilities fuel etc. I lost a very good job, my company truck, and had to buy a jalopy to have for around Airdrie as a second vehicle. I'm not wanting sympathy because many of us got the same deal out of COVID, but the last thing I need to do is borrow a bunch of $$$ without a steady or no income, and CERB/EI does not get it. Better money managers than myself, I guess. Sorry I realized I went on a rant. Walk the extra 20 minutes and hopefully find some trout and peace of mind. I hope the streams co-operate soon and the bugs.
  16. I think it's fair to say, regardless of the Public Lands Act, being a dick to a landowner is just asking for an unpleasant day for both of you for virtually no benefit, and will remove access across private land for other activities further. Sure you may be allowed to be on the river, but you might have just burnt a bridge for someone else who has been using the same land for hunting. I routinely fish on public lands next to private, and make sure to go out of my way to be kind and respectful when i run into a landowner. They may not have a right to kick you out of the 'public' section, but I'd rather have a good relationship with those that i run into, such that if i ever need anything they're more receptive (if you break your arm 12 km up the river, i'd much prefer to cut across land and not get chased off because you've been an ***hole to them in the past). Don't jump fences, dont open gates, be respectful, clean up some garbage be kind, keep your dog under control (and likely on leash) and 99% of your interactions will be positive. If you're going around looking for issues, you should probably take up a less quiet sport.. FYI, last time i asked for access from a landowner, not only did they provide me access, they gave me a key to the gate that allowed me to shave off 3 km of hiking by driving. Landowners aren't inherently enemies..
  17. Sorry Northfork, my post took a shot people posting on this thread and I really should have stated what was my personal experience with steam access and trespass. I've had heated conversation with a couple of farmers while using road allowance to access crown lands for elk hunting, I understand there are those out there that just don't want you/me/us on their property no matter what the case may be. If what Bcubed stated is correct and it's generally interpreted as the 1-2 year high-water mark, basically where "the grass meets the mud", you've got to stay in the water which makes makes moving through some of these streams very difficult and dealing with brown trout damn near impossible. As to the question "Are you new to fly fishing?" I've covered enough water to know that when conditions are right I need a lot less than a half a mile stretch to enjoy myself.
  18. Ya, I went for a drive & saw the same thing. RV’s everywhere. I’ve been fishing up there for 20+ years & came away with the thought that this maybe my last trip.
  19. Hope these aren't being bought with COVID bucks.
  20. absolutely concur. Nothing like having to spend a half hour picking up small pieces of toilet paper before setting up camp. . Why don't people simply throw the stuff in the fire or garbage. Last year had a very bad experience with an idiot with a drone and would not turn his music down. In his mind his campsite was his property and could do what ever he wanted with no respect for the other people in the area. Left a day early and called the RCMP. The RCMP got back to me and mentioned they showed up at the worst time for the idiot, he was hazing cattle. Didn't go well for him. ray.
  21. Add to the fact that there is one idiot that has started a "Random Camping (Crown land) Facebook Group"... Just what everyone needs more rednecks disrespecting the outdoors (yes I'm making a huge judgment with that statement)!!
  22. Was out last week for a few nights of camping and fishing and was shocked at the number of RV's parked all over the place. Never seen that many campers in the 30 odd years fishing the eastern slopes. But oddly the same basic number of anglers fishing this river (not overly crowded). When i got home and did a little research and found this. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-rv-sales-are-up-by-42-says-industry-group-1.1269835 This will make things difficult for all of us that camp and fish the eastern slopes. Just my two bits worth. Ray
  23. Where did you read that none of us have permission to access creeks via private land? I know there is at least three of us in this thread that do.... And I do get your point - I have permission on a handful of places I access creeks to fish, and I hunt predominately private land myself too, but I guess we're all idiots.... Are you new to fly fishing? I think most of us on these brown trout creeks aren't fishing just a half mile stretch of creek, so why would you spend hours if not days trying to track down all owners and renters along a creek to ask permission to use public land? It is absolutely not inexcusable to not make a phone call or knock on a door.... For some places I fish it would take me all day to try and track owners and renters down to get "permission" to fish through their quarter sections. I love how you criminalize fly fisherman for "trespassing". We don't need to ask for permission to cross their property via the creek below the high water mark, plain and simple, it's not abusing a loophole whatsoever. 90% of the places most of us fish I think we could agree that there are never any issues with landowners. There are just exceptions that don't want anyone fishing, hunting, etc. Most weren't made that way and you're right is people legitimately trespassing or having a lack of courtesy that makes them how they are and ruins it for the rest of us, but there are still the crusty guys who've just always never wanted anyone out there. It is what it is. It has nothing to do with respect. High water mark is high water mark, with very very few exceptions PRIVATE LANDOWNERS DO NOT OWN THE CREEK/RIVER/STREAM: THE WATER, THE FISH, THE BOTTOM - THEY OWN NONE OF IT. The thread was started to get some information and learn how to deal with it. I will not be intimiated by bully ranchers. It's a mutual respect thing - I don't go on their property, they don't have an issue. If you catch me on your pasture above the high water mark without permission, sure, that's a different story, but not the one we're discussing. Don't assume we're all idiots and ignorant city folks because like you there's several of us have an agriculturual background...
  24. I can't believe how many people posting do not have the courtesy to ask land owners for access to property! With all of the information that is really available (county maps, iHunter app) it is inexcusable not to make a phone call or knock on a door, shake a hand and state your business. As someone who has spent years hunting on private land and being farmed raised I find it hard to fathom how many people in this sport claim a right to trespass by way of a loophole that is meant to protect navigation/commerce (the movement of goods and services by way of water, example one logging company couldn't buy of a section of river to stop another company moving logs, or as applies to mining, fur trade etc.) People are spending thousands on gear/fuel and won't spend the money for a few maps and couldn't be troubled by a simple human interaction. This year I lost access due to some land changing ownership and I can totally sympathize with the land owner's reasoning, too many people trespassing without permission! I hadn't been out on the land in question for a couple years but heard rumour of it changing hands, checked the maps, went for a drive and knocked on his door. We had a good friendly talk for well over an hour, lots to BS about as I come from a family farm background, and he explained some of the trouble he's had with the going's on and the lack of courtesy/respect. He runs a third generation small mixed farm operation who worked oil and gas when times weren't that rosy for agriculture and put three kids through university. It took hard work and smarts to get his hand on that quarter, people didn't respect that. Show some respect out there!
  25. I have been looking into this also and have decided to save my ducets for the Alpacka Caribou. It is designed for bike rafting and can handle light whitewater.
  26. While the price and weight of the Klymit UL raft is appealing I think I would want something more substantial if I was going to use it somewhere like Fortress Lake and raft out on the river afterwards ....... maybe look for a used one of these https://www.greenbelly.co/pages/pack-rafts or ....... https://www.alpackaraft.com/rafting/product/scout-2019/
  27. Does anyone here have any experience using ultralight pack rafts? I'm thinking of picking one up for alpine lakes (lighter than carrying in a float tube, waders, flippers, etc.). I've heard decent things about the Klymit Litewater Dinghy, but have also heard that it tends to take on a bit of water. If so, what have you used? Also, are there any available locally?
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