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Cutthroat Carnage, Again!
Taco replied to WinstonConfluentus's topic in General Chat - Fishing Related
Whatever Hoss but just show me the science first not just some claim that it's "obvious" -
Cutthroat Carnage, Again!
Taco replied to WinstonConfluentus's topic in General Chat - Fishing Related
And yes I'm a prick for givin' poor old winnie a hard time but I highly dislike a doubly anonymous eco-wienie willing to hijack a worthy cause, be it native fish or grizzlies to further advance what they are really protesting against. Grow a spine and be up front about it! -
Cutthroat Carnage, Again!
Taco replied to WinstonConfluentus's topic in General Chat - Fishing Related
In a Guy Fawkes mask yet too....... -
Cutthroat Carnage, Again!
Taco replied to WinstonConfluentus's topic in General Chat - Fishing Related
BullshitFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This article is about the expletive. For other uses, see Bullshit (disambiguation). Look up bullshit in Wiktionary, the free dictionary. Bullshit (also bullcrap) is a common English expletive which may be shortened to the euphemism bull or the initialism BS. In British English, "bollocks" is a comparable expletive, although "bullshit" is more common. It is a slang profanity term meaning "nonsense", especially in a rebuking response to communication or actions viewed as deceiving, misleading, disingenuous, or false. As with many expletives, the term can be used as an interjection or as many other parts of speech, and can carry a wide variety of meanings. It can be used either as a noun or as a verb. While the word is generally used in a deprecating sense, it may imply a measure of respect for language skills, or frivolity, among various other benign usages. In philosophy, Harry Frankfurt, among others, analyzed the concept of bullshit as related to but distinct from lying. Outside of the philosophical and discursive studies, the everyday phrase bullshit conveys a measure of dissatisfaction with something or someone, but often does not describe any role of truth in the matter. Contents 1 Etymology 2 In the philosophy of truth and rhetoric 2.1 Assertions of fact2.1.1 Distinguished from lying 2.2 Harry Frankfurt's concept 3 In everyday language 4 See also 5 References 5.1 Notes 5.2 Bibliography Etymology"Bull", meaning nonsense, dates from the 17th century,[1] while the term "bullshit" has been used as early as 1915 in American slang,[2] and came into popular usage only during World War II. The word "bull" itself may have derived from the Old French boul meaning "fraud, deceit".[2] The term "horseshit" is a near synonym. The South African English equivalent is "bull dust". Few corresponding terms exist in other languages; one prominent example, however, is German Bockmist, literally "billy-goat *hit". The earliest attestation mentioned by the Concise Oxford English Dictionary is in fact T. S. Eliot, who between 1910 and 1916 wrote an early poem to which he gave the title "The Triumph of Bullshit", written in the form of a ballade. The word bullshit does not appear in the text of the poem, and Eliot himself never published the poem.[3] As to earlier etymology the Oxford English Dictionary cites bull with the meaning "trivial, insincere, untruthful talk or writing, nonsense". It describes this usage as being of unknown origin, but notes that in Old French, the word could mean "boul, boule, bole fraud, deceit, trickery; mod. Icel bull 'nonsense'; also ME bull BUL 'falsehood', and BULL verb, to befool, mock, cheat."[4] Although there is no confirmed etymological connection, it should be noted that these older meanings are synonymous with the modern expression "bull", generally considered and used as a contraction of "bullshit" Another proposal, according to the lexicographer Eric Partridge, is that the term was popularised by the Australian and New Zealand troops from about 1916 arriving at the front during World War I. Partridge claims that the British commanding officers' placed emphasis on bull; that is, attention to appearances, even when it was a hindrance to waging war. The foreign Diggers allegedly ridiculed the British by calling it bull*hit.[5] In the philosophy of truth and rhetoric Assertions of factBullshit is commonly used to describe statements made by people more concerned with the response of the audience than in truth and accuracy, such as goal-oriented statements made in the field of politics or advertising. On one prominent occasion, the word itself was part of a controversial advertisement. During the 1980 U.S. presidential campaign, the Citizens Party candidate Barry Commoner ran a radio advertisement that began with an actor exclaiming: "Bullshit! Carter, Reagan and Anderson, it's all bullshit!" NBC refused to run the advertisement because of its use of the expletive, but Commoner's campaign successfully appealed to the Federal Communications Commission to allow the advertisement to run unedited.[6] Distinguished from lying"Bullshit" does not necessarily have to be a complete fabrication; with only basic knowledge about a topic, bullshit is often used to make the audience believe that one knows far more about the topic by feigning total certainty or making probable predictions. It may also merely be "filler" or nonsense that, by virtue of its style or wording, gives the impression that it actually means something. In his essay on the subject, William G. Perry called bull[*hit] "relevancies, however relevant, without data" and gave a definition of the verb "to bull[*hit]" as follows: To discourse upon the contexts, frames of reference and points of observation which would determine the origin, nature, and meaning of data if one had any. To present evidence of an understanding of form in the hope that the reader may be deceived into supposing a familiarity with content.[7] The bullshitter generally either knows the statements are likely false, exaggerated, and in other ways misleading or has no interest in their factual accuracy one way or the other. "Talking bullshit" is thus a lesser form of lying, and is likely to elicit a correspondingly weaker emotional response: whereas an obvious liar may be greeted with derision, outrage, or anger, an exponent of bullshit tends to be dismissed with an indifferent sneer. Harry Frankfurt's conceptIn his essay On Bullshit (originally written in 1986, and published as a monograph in 2005), philosopher Harry Frankfurt of Princeton University characterizes bullshit as a form of falsehood distinct from lying. The liar, Frankfurt holds, knows and cares about the truth, but deliberately sets out to mislead instead of telling the truth. The "bullshitter", on the other hand, does not care about the truth and is only seeking to impress:[8] It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bullshit requires no such conviction. A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it. When an honest man speaks, he says only what he believes to be true; and for the liar, it is correspondingly indispensable that he considers his statements to be false. For the bullshitter, however, all these bets are off: he is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false. His eye is not on the facts at all, as the eyes of the honest man and of the liar are, except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in getting away with what he says. He does not care whether the things he says describe reality correctly. He just picks them out, or makes them up, to suit his purpose. Frankfurt connects this analysis of bullshit with Ludwig Wittgenstein's disdain of "non-sense" talk, and with the popular concept of a "bull session" in which speakers may try out unusual views without commitment. He fixes the blame for the prevalence of "bullshit" in modern society upon anti-realism and upon the growing frequency of situations in which people are expected to speak or have opinions without appropriate knowledge of the subject matter. Gerald Cohen, in "Deeper into Bullshit", contrasted the kind of "bullshit" Frankfurt describes with a different sort: nonsense discourse presented as sense. Cohen points out that this sort of bullshit can be produced either accidentally or deliberately. While some writers do deliberately produce bullshit, a person can also aim at sense and produce nonsense by mistake; or a person deceived by a piece of bullshit can repeat it innocently, without intent to deceive others.[9] Cohen gives the example of Alan Sokal's "Transgressing the Boundaries" as a piece of deliberate bullshit. Sokal's aim in creating it, however, was to show that the "postmodernist" editors who accepted his paper for publication could not distinguish nonsense from sense, and thereby by implication that their field was "bullshit". In everyday languageOutside of the academic world, among natural speakers of North American English, as an interjection or adjective, bullshit conveys general displeasure, an objection to, or points to unfairness within, some state of affairs. This colloquial usage of "bullshit", which began in this 20th century, does not assign a truth score to another's discourse. It simply labels something that the speaker does not like and feels he is unable to change. See also Wikiquote has quotations related to: Bullshit Confabulation Humbug Tall tale Not even wrong Waffle (speech) Bullshit bingo References Notes Concise Oxford English Dictionary "Online Etymology Dictionary". Etymonline.com. Retrieved 2011-11-12. Eliot, T. S. Inventions of the March Hare: Poems 1909-1917 (Harcourt, 1997) ISBN 0-15-100274-6 Mark Liberman (2005-08-17). "Bullshit: invented by T.S. Eliot in 1910?". Language Log. Peter Hartcher (2012-11-06). "US looks Down Under to stop poll rot". Sydney Morning Herald. Retrieved 2013-11-05. Paul Siegel (2007). Communication Law in America. Paul Siegel. pp. 507–508. ISBN 0-7425-5387-6. Perry, William G. (1967). Examsmanship and the Liberal Arts. Originally published in Harvard College: A Collection of Essays by Members of the Harvard Faculty. "Harry Frankfurt on bullshit". Archived from the original on 2005-03-08. Retrieved 2013-11-05. Cohen, G. A., "Deeper into Bullshit". Originally appeared in Buss and Overton, eds., Contours of Agency: Themes from the Philosophy of Harry Frankfurt (Cambridge, Massachusetts: MIT Press, 2002). Reprinted in Hardcastle and Reich, Bullshit and Philosophy (Chicago: Open Court, 2006), ISBN 0-8126-9611-5. BibliographyEliot, T. S. Inventions of the March Hare: Poems 1909-1917 (Harcourt, 1997) ISBN 0-15-100274-6 Frankfurt, Harry G. (2005). On Bullshit. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press. ISBN 0-691-12294-6. — Harry Frankfurt's detailed analysis of the concept of bullshit. Hardcastle, Gary L.; Reisch, George A., eds. (2006). Bullshit and Philosophy. Chicago: Open Court (Carus Publishing). ISBN 0-8126-9611-5. Holt, Jim, Say Anything, one of his Critic At Large essays from The New Yorker, (August 22, 2005) Penny, Laura (2005). Your Call Is Important To Us: The Truth About Bullshit. Random House. ISBN 1-4000-8103-3. — Halifax academic Laura Penny's study of the phenomenon of bullshit and its impact on modern society. Weingartner, C. (1975). Public doublespeak: every little movement has a meaning all of its own. College English, Vol. 37, No. 1 (Sep., 1975), pp. 54–61. Categories:Profanity Feces Interjections Deception -
Cutthroat Carnage, Again!
Taco replied to WinstonConfluentus's topic in General Chat - Fishing Related
Or could it be that South Racehorse has returned to being a major bull trout spawning stream it once was because the monster logjam at the mouth has finally succumbed to successive high water events ??? It was only 20'-30' high in places and 150 yds deep and in place since '96. *hit there was a small lake behind it for a few yrs. Quit bein' a cutesy CSer and tell us the organization -
I need to start tyin' some. Gimme a must have chironomids list geared towards southern stillwater. Thanks and friggin lakes!
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I had a pair of young border collies proudly herd a moose calf my way whilst fishin' Chaffen Ck one day. Spent the next 2 1/2 hrs dealin' with a highly irritated and motivated cow moose, most of it playin' hide and go seek around a willow brush windrow.
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Ya mean other than gettin' run over by a pair of stampedin' phat girls??
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Had a lariat do that once when the honda broke except all the knots on my body came from the horse that ran me over after he bucked me off when the stretched out nylon rope rebound and hit him in the tailhead. Don't ever use the cheap aluminum hondas when turning 1500lb animals.
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If that's 3 this year then you and me are tied. then there's the 2 forceps. I'm gonna hafta start buyin' them by the gross
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How about all the damned stream thermometers that keep comin' undone from my vest never to be seen again??
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Cutthroat Carnage, Again!
Taco replied to WinstonConfluentus's topic in General Chat - Fishing Related
No *hit Jeffro -
Cutthroat Carnage, Again!
Taco replied to WinstonConfluentus's topic in General Chat - Fishing Related
Anybody bother to contact any of these people?? http://www.forestry.ualberta.ca/ContactUs.aspx They're the ones running the project -
Cutthroat Carnage, Again!
Taco replied to WinstonConfluentus's topic in General Chat - Fishing Related
Ah! the lure of Internet anonymity or is there actually a smug lookin' Salmonidae in a Guy Fawkes mask? -
All fairy tales Doc, all fairy tales. All I hafta do to prove it is look down..... :angel:smail:
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I catch lotsa fish that size
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Could be a 12" net.
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Looking For A One Man Float Boat Thoughts?
Taco replied to Vitalshok's topic in General Chat - Fishing Related
If I ever quit havin' to stick new diesel motors in my work/fishin' truck, an Outcast Stealth is what I'm buyin' and then start savin coinage for a good hard boat.... -
Well, at the very least confusin' to a crass SOB like me
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Well I was thinkin' about usin' WGAF but thought it may not be polite........
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Cutthroat Carnage, Again!
Taco replied to WinstonConfluentus's topic in General Chat - Fishing Related
What? No mention of the UofA? -
I'm firmly in the WGAS camp myself........
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Curious About Ffc Members
Taco replied to murray's topic in General Chat - Not Fishing Related (NFR)
I never knew you worked in sales