Ya I hear you. Theres something about catching a RD brown that thrills me. Iv'e got just as big of browns out of the bow, but its not the same as nailing one on the Red Deer. Now getting into the backing with a hot rainbow, fun stuff. I have had plenty of chances to nail a few of those big boys on the same trip. But something always happen's, fly pop's out , break off, gets in the wood .