Noslen34 0 Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Hi, I'm looking for a light frameless water vessel and want to see some of your opinions on what to get. I like to wade in rivers and wanted a personal inflatable to access more water in the bow and southern Alberta rivers. I was looking at a watermaster as it suited my low key fishing style, but found a similar Canadian boat from BC, called the Nile Creek Kick Boat (7 feet, 8ft, and a 9ft). There's not much info on the boat online, but asking the shop guy it sounds very similar to a WM. The guy told me their shop was the first to distribute WM in Canada and later branched off to make their own. The Nile Creek is made from hypalon while the WM is PVC, the boat without oars and seat is 20lbs, plus the NC is $1200 CAD. What are your thoughts on this? http://www.nilecreekflyshop.com/nilecreek_8095.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
murray 306 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) I’ve had zero experience with the Nile creek kick boat and can’t comment on their quality. However I do know a little bit about Hypalon material. You know all those big, round antennae’s mounted on the tops of communication towers? That white covering you see is Made out of a Hypalon material. I know because I used to install them, did so for over 40 years. There are not many environments that are tougher on hardware than you see at the tops of those towers. I’m not saying the tarps wouldn’t fail, we would get up to 10 years out of them but it was never the Hypalon material that failed. It was the sewed seams of the pie shaped sections that would give out. now, translate that into a boat floating down the river, brushing up against rocks and sharp tree branches. I know which one I would choose. Edited May 9, 2020 by murray Correct spelling errors 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheMuddler 12 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Isn't Hypalon heavier than pvc? an overall weight of the boat packed would be something worth looking into if you plan on doing any hiking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Noslen34 0 Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 On 5/8/2020 at 6:30 PM, murray said: I’ve had zero experience with the Nile creek kick boat and can’t comment on their quality. However I do know a little bit about Hypalon material. You know all those big, round antennae’s mounted on the tops of communication towers? That white covering you see is Made out of a Hypalon material. I know because I used to install them, did so for over 40 years. There are not many environments that are tougher on hardware than you see at the tops of those towers. I’m not saying the tarps wouldn’t fail, we would get up to 10 years out of them but it was never the Hypalon material that failed. It was the sewed seams of the pie shaped sections that would give out. now, translate that into a boat floating down the river, brushing up against rocks and sharp tree branches. I know which one I would choose. Thanks. I'm gonna look more closely at these boats. At $1200 CAD, it doesn't seem like a bad buy. Anyone else have any thoughts on these boats? What about an 8' vs a 9 footer? Which one should I get? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DougC 34 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I have a couple watermaster kodiaks, one of which I actually purchased at Nile Creek. I love them for flowing water (they’re slooooow in stillwater) but if/when they eventually wear out I’ll be replacing it with a Nile Creek boat. It’s a no brainer for the price difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Noslen34 0 Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just bought it... Anyone wanna float the bow together on separate boats? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bcubed 1,036 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Does it come with an illegal guide charge, or 3? (inside joke, not calling you an illegal guide) 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FlyFishingEMT 42 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Congrats on your new boat. Interested to know how you like it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Noslen34 0 Posted May 22, 2020 Author Share Posted May 22, 2020 2 hours ago, FlyFishingEMT said: Congrats on your new boat. Interested to know how you like it? Absolutely! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sosdog 0 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Hi. I’ve been debating the same thing for years. I think they have a sale on right now. Any thoughts on the product or the support? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bcubed 1,036 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Can’t speak to the Nile boats but these new one from outcast... real oarlocks are a life changer https://www.outcastboats.com/osg-clearwater.html 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GotABite 0 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 I spent months researching frameless inflatable boat. I lost interest in the NileCreek, Scadden and Watermaster the moment bcubed brought up the new 2021 Outcast Clearwater. Outcast's new oarlock tower system is like no other I've seen. I do like that Clearwater has rockers. To those thinking of ordering themselves a set of oarlocks & towers for a DIY project, I'd say...Outcast is on to us. They know they've got something good here. Can't blame them. Here's the prompt & courteous response I got when I asked if I could order a pair of of oarlocks & metal towers. I figure, there's no harm in asking. ''We don’t actually sell those. We do have pieces/parts in our repair center that are reserved for warranty repair/replacement issues if you have warranty issues.'' Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bcubed 1,036 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Ha ya i tried to see if they'd sell them as well to retrofit my Scadden.. no luck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jayhad 410 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 On 2/16/2021 at 9:07 AM, bcubed said: Ha ya i tried to see if they'd sell them as well to retrofit my Scadden.. no luck Hey Bcubed, I haven't looked at the "towers" in real life but in looking at the pictures from outcast, those towers would be a very easy build for a fabricator, use a base of .500 UHMW..... now finding a fabricator in AB that will build anything not industry based is tough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bcubed 1,036 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Ya it’s more the attachment to the boat that is the hard part Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jayhad 410 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 14 hours ago, bcubed said: Ya it’s more the attachment to the boat that is the hard part could you get the same material and just use an appropriate adhesive? I don't know myself as I have little experience with rafts. Possibly the costs involved makes this a moot point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mdfcontracting 9 Posted Monday at 07:13 PM Share Posted Monday at 07:13 PM Get these glue on mounts. this allows you to mount a scotty mount to your tube then you can put real oarlocks on. My buddy has em on his zodiac, works great. Can also add rod holders and such. Dont think id do anchor locks with it, but other than that.... https://www.stevestonmarine.com/Scotty-Pad-Glue-On-For-Inflat-Black-341BK?language=en¤cy=CAD&gclid=Cj0KCQiAvvKBBhCXARIsACTePW_JDttR_h5Um0IW_BKDVzG9vQ6GcNxq0O2x41L96h-G7XMphJmhPaIaAlX7EALw_wcB The mounts: https://www.stevestonmarine.com/Scotty-Mount-Locking-Push-Button-Side-Dec-241L?search=scotty mount And the lock adapters: https://www.stevestonmarine.com/Scotty-Oarlock-Adapt-Pair-103S?language=en¤cy=CAD&gclid=Cj0KCQiAvvKBBhCXARIsACTePW8yNIhZ_IfEZ8aFS2hAbvjrDProRkDoHPiqH7VRSPLqvrid5vSpBiIaAhcIEALw_wcB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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