jasonvilly Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 If you don't know ask.... Why such a hate on for Brook Trout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Why such a hate on for Brook Trout? Because they're a plaque in western streams crowding native trout to extinction and hybridizing bull trout. Outside of it's native ranges there should be a must kill regulation if any angler catches a brook trout I was ignoring this thread until that question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickberry Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Because they're a plaque in western streams crowding native trout to extinction and hybridizing bull trout. Outside of it's native ranges there should be a must kill regulation if any angler catches a brook trout I was ignoring this thread until that question Good article, Taco. Below is a quote that sums it up. "You put brook trout in a stream and the cutthroats just disappear," he says. "They're so many brook trout in the West—that's why they're our leading candidate to poison." I am not familiar with Millennium Creek, but I do know a few streams struggling with over population of brookies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalanche Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Seems like a lot of effort is being put into ridding some streams (drainages?) of Brook Trout. Is this an isolated system where the Brook Trout can't escape? http://www.tucanada.org/NP_QuirkCreek.shtml http://www.tucanada.org/reports/AB-021_QuirkCreek_2009.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbowtrout Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Is this an isolated system where the Brook Trout can't escape? I'm not 100% but I think it links up with Bighill creek and Bighill dumps into the Bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbowtrout Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 2006 http://www.cochraneeagle.com/2006/07/wee-b...t-on-ecosystem/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonvilly Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 Because they're a plaque in western streams crowding native trout to extinction and hybridizing bull trout. Outside of it's native ranges there should be a must kill regulation if any angler catches a brook trout I was ignoring this thread until that question Thanks so much Taco, now I am educated on the topic. Funny I was just reading about the Lahontan Cuttthroat, and the article answered many questions I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbowtrout Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Just cleaning up the Millenium Creek thread and letting all the Brook Trout debate happen in its own thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Because they're a plaque in western streams crowding native trout to extinction and hybridizing bull trout. Outside of it's native ranges there should be a must kill regulation if any angler catches a brook trout I was ignoring this thread until that question very informative article Taco..explains a lot to those who no not.....Wolfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigtoad Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 very informative article Taco..explains a lot to those who no not.....Wolfie It's actually "know not" there Wolfie. And what a fine example of irony... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sundancefisher Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I have worked on Quirk Creek in the past and caught many bull brookie crosses in the Elbow. I find brookies to be extremely pretty fish to catch...but they are a scurge on the foothill streams for sure. A shame the early managers did not know any better. Still...while we can't eliminate them all we do need to have a sound management plan in place to protect natives if possible. If there is no other viable fishery...then manage the brookies accordingly. They are pretty little buggers... Hard to hate them. Sun P.S. If anyone wants a challenge...head along the forestry trunk road west of Caroline...in the flat valleys there are creeks meadering and barely visable...maybe 1-2 feet wide but 2-4 feet deep in places...loaded with brookies. Also Elbow Lake has tons of brookies and they are great eating and over populated so no need to feel bad about eating your limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutfriend Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Millennium Creek flows into Big Hill Creek about 15-20 meters before BHC empties into the Bow River. Millennium Creek runs about 400 meters to a culvert running under Griffin Road; it goes about 150 more meters before there is an impoundment. Springs feed the impoundment and some of these springs were used to create the spawning channel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tro Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Me and the little boys have done out best getting payback on the brooks at Elbow Lake, they sure are a tasty fish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLeod Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Because they're a plaque in western streams crowding native trout to extinction and hybridizing bull trout. Outside of it's native ranges there should be a must kill regulation if any angler catches a brook trout I was ignoring this thread until that question It's a little more complicated that that. Brookies are a fabulous fish. Many would say the BEST of all the trout. No they should not have been planted in our waters that had Native fish. One of many mistakes made in the past. Of note.. all Brookies planted are triploids. As for our natives waters now ..yes the Brookies should be removed..The problem is we can't just have a general.. kill all brookies regulation ..because many people can't tell the differance between a Brook Trout and a Bull Trout. If we had a special license to kill Brookies in flowing waters , a special ID test would be required ..That could be an effective management tool I would support. I am not keen on dumping poisions in creeks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parry Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 It's a little more complicated that that. Brookies are a fabulous fish. Many would say the BEST of all the trout. No they should not have been planted in our waters that had Native fish. One of many mistakes made in the past. Of note.. all Brookies planted are triploids. As for our natives waters now ..yes the Brookies should be removed..The problem is we can't just have a general.. kill all brookies regulation ..because many people can't tell the differance between a Brook Trout and a Bull Trout. If we had a special license to kill Brookies in flowing waters , a special ID test would be required ..That could be an effective management tool I would support. I am not keen on dumping poisions in creeks... There is actually a special license that allows you to do this on Quirk Creek and various other bodies of water, you must however pass a test as you mentioned above which is available at Trout Unlimited in Calgary and record details about your catches. Im not 100% sure on all the details but there is such a system in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snuffy Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Found a whack of little brookies on the far side of a small dike from Michel this fall. Should we worry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonAndersen Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Be careful what you put in the sights! Brookies are not the only immigrants here. How about browns and 'bows. Anybody up for a redd stomp. Can't have them browns overwhelming the native bulls. Of course, the stomp will be repeated this spring in all those rainbow waters. Don't feel left out if you can't make the fall stomp. With that I'm slinking back to my corner and plotting catching some Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjthom2 Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 P.S. If anyone wants a challenge...head along the forestry trunk road west of Caroline...in the flat valleys there are creeks meadering and barely visable...maybe 1-2 feet wide but 2-4 feet deep in places...loaded with brookies. Also Elbow Lake has tons of brookies and they are great eating and over populated so no need to feel bad about eating your limit. Also the James, Teepee pole, Williams, Willson, Mcue, Nichi, Eagle, Upper and Lower Stoney, Jackson, Schrader, Wigwam Creek and any trib with holding water have tons of stunted brookies. I like to fish a tiny stream for these tiny colorful trout but I'm also in favor of liberal bag limits as they may improve fish size and quality (I wonder if there are enough fishermen to stay ahead of their reproduction though). It would be nice to catch a 20" brook trout from some of these streams rather than a bunch of 6-10 inchers. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanJuanWorm Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Because they're a plaque in western streams crowding native trout to extinction and hybridizing bull trout. Outside of it's native ranges there should be a must kill regulation if any angler catches a brook trout I was ignoring this thread until that question Seriously Taco tell us how you really feel. Don't hold back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giovanne Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Because they're a plaque in western streams crowding native trout to extinction and hybridizing bull trout. Outside of it's native ranges there should be a must kill regulation if any angler catches a brook trout I was ignoring this thread until that question Same way the Browns and/or Bows have almost eliminated the native species from the Bow River Basin and most other eastern slopes drainages. Be careful what you wish for. What is the discussin in Banff NP righ now in regard to ALL invasive/introduced fish species... *Cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLeod Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Same way the Browns and/or Bows have almost eliminated the native species from the Bow River Basin and most other eastern slopes drainages. Be careful what you wish for. What is the discussin in Banff NP righ now in regard to ALL invasive/introduced fish species... *Cough* Invasive species are and should be a very very low priority. That message was clearily sent by the Federal Government. Generating dollars and bringing people to the parks is the priority. Grizzly's and Bringing back the Cariboo seems just a little more important of a priority at this time with the limited budgets... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 Seriously Taco tell us how you really feel. Don't hold back. OK wild generic rainbows piss me off too, we lost a slowly regenerating cutthroat stream to mongrel effin' rainbows recently. God knows where they came from, blown out private stock pond in '05 probably (??) all but the very extreme headwaters seemed to be basically fishless since the drought in 2000 and/or 2003. It's what the westslope cutthroat are specially good at, surviving Alberta's extremes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLeod Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 By the way... Just in case you did not know.. Trout Unlimited's new mascot is a Brook Trout ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbowtrout Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 I think Taco should enter the name contest for the new Mascot http://www.facebook.com/pages/Name-that-Tr...159105944119350 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricinus Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 I think Taco should enter the name contest for the new Mascot Toast!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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