Good tips Terry. I have found that after a bunch of fish the line starts to wear out the hole inside the indicator and it starts to slip quite often (even when casting). Therefore I have returned to the old corky system. It adds another dimension to getting the fish in when you have to first land the toothpick, and then get down to where the fish is. Since we're releasing the fish its not that big a deal. I have rarely lost a fish while retrieving the toothpick. Someday I may get down to watch you land some fish.