DonAndersen

Ginger, Ya got it wrong. I'm not advocating jack shite - just getting tired of guys like Charles Adler thumping his bird like chest and spouting BS and advertising it as fact. What I'd really like to know is the truth. You've helped. regards, Don

Wished I could find something from a CDN site but this was the best I can do. Don the U.S. Government” the average cost at the pump for a gallon of gasoline is broken down as follows: 74% - Cost of the crude oil 11% - Taxes 10% - Refining costs 5% - Distribution and marketing In a simple illustration, let’s assume an oil company is paying $100 for a barrel (42 gallons) of basic crude oil. Their cost for a gallon will be about $2.38. At a gasoline-pump price of $4.00 per gallon, 44 cents has to pay for taxes and 20 cents for distribution and marketing expenses. This leaves $3.36 for the oil companies. Out of that total they have to pay for the cost of the gallon of crude oil itself which was $2.38 and also the 40 cents to refine it into gasoline. This leaves $0.58 profit per gallon of gasoline. As noted, however, depending on which report one looks at, this profit-margin can range anywhere between an estimated 30 to 60 cents per gallon. Remember this is in US Gallons. You do the math. And just for ricinus, Oil Companies have been crying about royalties since 1920 in Alberta. Are the companies still here? 100 years of continuous tears. Now if that was my kid, a spanking may be in order. Don

BBT, Research you say. But what is new in the Oil Sands? Great Canadian Oilsands [became Syncrude] used the Froth Process which was invented in 1869. Still using it today. Huff & Puff and Fire Floods have been around for 30+ years. Moving product from mineface>process plants via things with wheels has been going on since man invented the wheel. So what has the $78/bbl. in research uncovered? And I truly recognize a profit when it see it! regards, Don

After listening to Charles Adler this afternoon, I thought I'd best get the facts on some of the stuff about the Oil/Tar Sands. Was looking for info and I found this from the NEB energy report http://www.neb.gc.ca/clf-nsi/rnrgynfmtn/nr...152004-eng.html And from the above report I found: What are the (i) operating costs, and (ii) the supply cost of producing a barrel of oil from the oil sands? The estimated operating costs range from 4 to 14 dollars for bitumen and 12 to 18 dollars for synthetic crude oil. The estimated supply costs ranges from 10 to 19 dollars for bitumen and from 22 to 28 dollars for synthetic crude oil*. * Supply costs include operating costs, capital costs, taxes, royalties and the rate of return on investment. So....the real question: If the Supply costs are $28.00 and the sale price is <>$100. Where did the $72 go? Profit? regards, Don

Misterbig, Been doing some research and I found the following. Got the stuff from FlyMart yesterday and tied only 2 flies with it. Works. I may get a chance to play some more today depending on rod work. A fellow member of this forum pointed me to FlyMart. This member told me in the tests he'd done that this resin didn't yellow like others. The following stuff sounds good. Is available in Canada. See Flymart.ca http://www.flymart.ca/default.aspx?ctl=ctl...product_id=1452 And from You Tube - Dave Mcphail does a pile of videos on tying. These show Bug Bond: And these from some UK FF sites: http://www.flyforums.co.uk/fly-tying-forum...nd-buzzers.html http://www.flyforums.co.uk/fly-tying-mater...nd-buzzers.html http://www.flyforums.co.uk/fly-tying-forum...-st-buzzer.html http://www.flyforums.co.uk/saltwater-fly-f...50-bugbond.html

Clive, Apparently cameras on phones can do much the same thing. News article on the issue some months ago. The article focused on teenaged girls sending pictures to Facebook etc. Not only would the bad folks know where they lived but what they looked like. Scary. Don

jusfloatin, A second or two to drain a lawnmower. Ya' OK. Enough said. Don

jusfloatin et al, Back to the original post. The use of ethanol gasoline in engines that are not used constantly will suffer some difficulties adding to the cost of using the product and of course the cost to the environment as the useable gasoline is poured "somewhere" + of course the cost of hauling the now broken equipment to the repair shop. At the end of day, you didn't get the job done that the engine was required to do, you swore and cussed, you had to haul the crapped out equipment to the repair shop and get it back. All 'cause some bonehead decided that you were negatively effecting the environment by using too much gas. You had best walk the broken engine to the repair shop unless you pile it all in your Smart Car. Boy, do I love stupid Govt programs! Don

jusfloatin, Talked to some forest company guys the other day and they are leaving smaller pine trees in the bush. No market. Betcha they'd love to haul them. Not worth the diesel. The N. American farmer is the least energy efficient farmer in the world spending 15 barrels of diesel energy to recover 1 barrel of vegetation energy. Ethanol sounds like it only survives 'cause of Govt money. Makes no sense otherwise. Don

Have a happy read. A lot of problems that outboard motors have will be shared with gasoline engines that are not used often. Think lawnmowers/chainsaws/gen sets. http://www.floridaflyfishingmagazine.com/t...ol-dilemma.html And don't forget that ethanol converts food resources to gasoline additive. Another IDIOT Govt program. Don

jebber6, My thanks for the name of the Company. regards, Don

Folks, Does anyone know which company owns this logo? Found it on ACA info signs all along Stauffer Creek. Don

Guys, Note: The post quotes Besko as saying "FOR NOW". The battle may be over for 2011 but the war continues. F&G continues their opposition. regards, Don

Folks, The backgrounder: Quality Stocked Fishery [QSF] according to the draft Position Paper published in January 2008 which said: Desired Characteristics of Prospective Quality Fisheries: 1. Water bodies preferred for quality fisheries will have the capability to produce 50 cm plus trout within a minimum of 4 years of stocking. 2. Management of the fishery can achieve maintaining 10 to15% of the stock in the 50 cm + size range This position paper was reiterated by SRD in a QSF in a release on September 2011 which said: Desired characteristics: 50+cm Trout 4 years after stocking, maintain 10-15% of stock in 50+cm class. Draft Position Paper found here: http://www.srd.alberta.ca/FishWildlife/Fis...ries-Jan-08.pdf Update on QSF found here: http://www.srd.alberta.ca/FishWildlife/Fis...-Sep28-2011.pdf Where are we now: Beaver Lake is now @ "0" fish in the 50 cm. range. If I recall correctly, it was 15% 2 years ago, 3% last year and now is @ "0". A four year old fish from Beaver maybe 45 cms [1.5>2 lb] or so TODAY which is in contrast to the fish from 2004>08 which would have weighed 6>12 lbs. & been 65 cms. or 25"+ Clearly there are not enough groceries to sustain the growth required by the QSF Policy. How do you get more groceries. Tis kinda simple - you reduce stocking numbers - - A LOT - a small step change will not do it. A reduction to <1,000 fish as I asked for 4+ years ago may not cut it. What can you do: Express your concern. Time is of the essence. If no changes are proposed by October 30, 2011, the regulations for Beaver will stay till 2013 or later. What do I think should happen: 1] reduce stocking numbers till growth rate returns 2] increase maximum size limit to 50 cms. to match other QSF lakes in the area 3] reduce limit to one over 50 cm. 4] Align the closing/opening dates November 1>April 15 with the other QSF Lakes in the area. regards, Don

Bob... What is a PGK? Don

Folks, I learned that like the Police Outpost Lake "Quality" designation stays for now according to Matt Besko, Acting Head, Allocation and Use Fisheries Allocation and Use of Alberta's Sustainable Resources Development. regards, Don

Folks, Looks like there is a number of solutions/ideas put forward to explain cutthroat population reduction. 1] Dewatering 2] Disease 3] Other Invasive Fish [ brook trout] 4] Enforcement or lack there of or excess of 5] Too many otters 6] Professionals should be the ones looking after things 7] Spend money on land protection I'm sure that they may be other causes. Anybody got other ideas? Don

420FLYFISHIN, The illegal actions were reported by another angler. Report a Poacher works!!! Don

Found in the Rocky Mountaineer Tuesday Sept. 27 edition. $3,000 beats the old record as far as I can see by $500. Don

mrmagnan, Need you email address - will send you the PDF file., Don

Ah PGK, You been drinking again? Don

jayhad's suggestion/belief that spending money/efforts on Cuts would be a great idea. SO Let's make a list of anything that should/could be done. Pie thinking is the sky thinking is good and no idea should be seen as farfetched. For me there are only a few things that will permanently kill fish. Disease and lack of water. So the items on my list would include: * All anglers must disinfect their waders to prevent disease. Foreign anglers would have their wading gear confiscated @ the borders and have it returned when they leave. * Removal of water from possible cutthroat bearing streams would be illegal catch ya' Don

Folks, Got a email from Buchwald. Closure of tribs. is only below the dam. Looks like my paranoia got the better of me. The present river closure starts Feb 28 and ends May 20 or about 11 weeks. The new proposal for to increase the closure from Oct 15>May 14 or 28 weeks. Curiously, SRD's proposal doesn't limit bait but allows maggots which seems to reinforce the targeting of whitefish which they are trying to protect. Go figure! Buchwald says " ASRD will doing a public review of the existing Red Deer River management plan for the section of river from the Dickson Dam to the Tolman Bridge. As part of this review the management of walleye will be looked and the potential for limited harvest will be examined. Brown trout numbers below the dam will always be limited, since suitable habitat is also limited. The 2005 flood had a negative effect on at least two years of recruitment (2004 and 2005). Don

Folks, Here is the exact wording from the Gov't Survey. 20. Do you agree with Sustainable Resource Development’s proposal to apply the Red Deer River regulations to all main stem tributaries? a) Strongly Agree Agree c) Disagree d) Strongly Disagree e) No Opinion f) Don’t Know Looks like it means what it says. ALL TRIBUTARIES. Little Red, Fallen Timber, S. Raven, Stauffer Creek, and on and on. There is a whole bunch of stuff going on that does make one wonder. 1] Why a Regional Biologist would start this 1 month before he retires? 2] Why the survey didn't ID are area as Buchwalds only? 3] Why other Fisheries Technicians in the Rocky Office made comments about closing all waters where fish may spawn? 4] Why are fishermen blamed for the whitefish/brown disappearance when there is no evidence that this happens? I've never seen a dead fish in anglers hands in the 25 years I've fished the Red Deer in the fall/winter. There is no question that browns and whites are in trouble but are anglers the issue or are there other many larger forces @ work? Blame anglers, it's easy - doesn't require any expenditure of effort or $'s. And the best part, some people get sucked in. Don

jayjj11, Just so that you understand the problem. Walleye have been protected in the Red Deer system for a number of years thereby exploding their population. Walleye are predators, the browns and whitefish are the prey. So in order to maintain balance, apparently SRD blames the fishermen for taking fish from the river and wants to reduce the impact of legal fishermen to "0". In the 20+ years I've fished the Red Deer River, I've yet to see my first dead fish dangling from a fisherman's hand. And the reason for the closure to protect the brown trout and whitefish spawning makes sense if places like Stauffer Creek had any whitefish. Well, I guess they do, maybe one or two near the S. Raven Junction. Brown trout spawning areas are impacted a lot more by migration problems caused by beaver. You cannot manage any habitat for a single species. You must consider all impacts and manage them accordingly. To blame fishermen for lousy SRD management is just plain stupid. And yep - there's Otters in the Red Deer Too!! Like all predators, they should be controlled to balance them with their prey. jayjj11 - you kinda remind me a a young biologist I meet below the Oldman dam who was gushing about catching all the big bull trout below the dam and carrying them above. I asked him how many whitefish were also transferred. He just couldn't get the fact that predators do well when they have prey. Ever wonder why farmers don't graze cows on summerfallow. They'd starve to death. catch ya' Don