DonAndersen

While all your ideas have merit - while we argue, nothing happens. Question is: Is there a need? - Yes Question #2: If Govt isn't gonna do it, how will it get done? There is a lot of history here. AF&G Assoc. has for 40 years or more asked the Govt for increased enforcement with "0" result. So the Govt isn't interested. The question remains, how is increased enforcement accomplished? The private sector does it! Stream Watch for formed exactly because the Govt wasn't interested. Further, in large part, Stream Watch is the only enforcement activity done in east slopes fishery. Question #3: I've contacted SRD Enforcement and asked for the number of face>face contacts of anglers for 2010 and earlier. If the result is <3% obviously there is a good argument to present to your MLA for increased $'s for enforcement. regards, Don

flyon, I guess that if we wish to have enforcement, we as tax payers had better step up to the plate or failing that support Stream Watch. What gives me pause; when Alberta had a population of <800,000 every Forestry Office, Forestry employee including grader operators had a ticket book and used them There may have been 100 guys in my area alone. Now there are 2. And that is with a population increase of 400%. So, if one can replicate Govt thinking, when we get to <>5,000,000 there will be no enforcement @ all. By the way - present enforcement staff now numbers 95 for all of Alberta. regards, Don

vhawk12, I've worked as a Director with the Butte Action Committee with several Oil Companies in regards to substituting produced H20 for fresh in water flood projects. Big concern about contamination. Just wondered if the same thing applied to Tar Sands. megalops, Thanx for the "straightening out". This is exactly what I'm talking about. From the ScotiaBank Report, I'd think that all oil company BS is just that BS. Now the pricing is starting to make sense. The real question that should be asked: If you guys took this long to partially educate a guys who was born in Alberta, worked for a oil Company in production for 40+ years, how in the God are the latte suckers from Toronto to figure it out. To all, Two more questions: 1] looks like bitumen has to be mixed with a solvent [ typically hydrocarbon condensate] to move it through pipelines So does that mean 2 pipelines from mine to upgrader - one for bitumen & condensate to upgrader and one for condensate>mine? 2] Does the upgrader remove the sulphur? regards, Don

Here is an interesting study with regards of how and why anglers get "checked" Effectiveness of Enforcement to Deter Illegal Angling Harvest of Northern Pike in Alberta By JORDAN R. WALKER, Fish and Wildlife Division, LEE FOOTE, Department of Renewable Resources, University of Alberta & MICHAEL G. SULLIVAN, Alberta Cooperative Conservation Research Unit, University of Alberta, Abstract.—We studied anglers’ perceptions of an enhanced enforcement strategy and the effects of this strategy on the illegal harvest of northern pike Esox lucius at recreational fisheries in Alberta. The strategy was designed by Alberta enforcement officers and consisted of varying patrol frequency and strongly worded warning posters. Monitoring effects of this strategy at nine popular Alberta lakes during 2001 and 2002 showed that intensive patrol events did not change anglers’ perceptions of enforcement. Anglers’ perceptions of detection (i.e., certainty of punishment) increased with enforcement effort, but not with the use of warning posters. Anglers’ perceptions of penalties (i.e., severity of punishment) increased with the use of signs, but not with increased patrol effort. We observed a tendency toward reduced illegal harvest at lakes where anglers perceived high deterrence (defined as the product of certainty and severity of punishment), although anglers consistently overestimated the actual risks of detection. Anglers perceived that the chance of detection increased as enforcement effort increased, with an asymptotic maximum perception when officers contacted more than 3% of anglers. These results suggest that officer efficiency in deterring anglers’ illegal behavior at these lakes is optimized by applying no more than this level of enforcement effort. OK - just where does this leave us? We have <>220,000 anglers in the province of Alberta so enforcement should have contacted <> 6600 anglers. regards, Don

Clive, What got my attention was a guy into himself that got dragged out by a cat. Good deal - your choice And I didn't know that you were in England. regards, Don

Folks, I was cruising the UK sites looking over flies etc and stumbled across this. A warm story for a cold day. Don http://www.flyforums.co.uk/wanted-swap-cla...ts-whisker.html

megalops, I see a three prices Heavy Crude, Crude Oil and Crude Bitumen. Three questions: Heavy Crude is after the upgrader? Crude Oil is typical W. Cdn. production? Crude Bitumen is before the upgrader? vhawk12, I realize that most of the water produced in oil sands systems may be recylced but I would have thought that consideration like reservoir contamination could be a possibly. Curious about the size of the "ancient" water aquifer. Must be one big SOB if it can sustain a an oil sands plant sucking on it. And all, I'm still perplexed @ the various information available. Scotiaback Commodity Pricing Index show that SCO, WTI about equal in price since January 09. And for those folks that I miss lead. The quote about the amount of money oil companies recieve was for oil after they bought it and the profit from refining. There are really two components of the system. The producers who produce [or mine] the oil and those that refine it. In the case of bitumen there is a further step of the upgraders. How they factor in their profit, I haven't a clue. For some companies, they produce, refine and market oil and oil products. Shell and Esso come to mind. They profit both going and coming. Still learning. regards, Don

Good Morning all, Doing my homework and looking up info here and there. Got some questions: 1] one writer says synthetic crude oil [ SCO] is discounted 40% and yet I see graphs that say the sales price may be either @ or greater than Texas. Did I miss something here? 2] Have looked over EUB and Govt of Alberta site and be damned if I can find a daily quote. 3] Is SCO sales price set @ what delivery point? Would make a lot of difference w/o 3,000 miles of pipeline 4] Looked over the various recovery methods - basically they are all heat and flow or heat, mix with solvent and flow. Is there really anything new? I certainly figured out years ago to clean a stove, you heated it slightly and used a solvent. Damn, does that mean a I get research grant. 5] And from several articles I got oil sands companies either made bags of money @ $70.00/bbl or barely broke even @ $80/bbl. Anybody know the truth. Nobody suggested that it took $100/bbl. to really make money. And I wonder about a lot of stuff from CAPP. One guy says we recycle the water. Well, that's nothing new. Cost effective - why wouldn't you. A bunch of questions remain: 1] What is the line that says we make a buck? 2] What is the daily selling price? 3] What is really new in technology? 4] And I'll get to the environmental questions later. Don

Toirtis, The one I have is the same as the one in your link however the link below has for sale even cheaper. http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultrafire-wf-...-2-cr123a-15456 A friend and I tried the Loon Products UV light sold for wader repair and it worked on the resin. see: http://www.loonoutdoors.com/uv-power-light.html I would wonder if most UV lights wouldn't work. Mine uses 2 Photo Batteries to run the light. Some of them like the Loon product or the product mentioned earlier use AA or AAA batteries which may be a lot cheaper to operate. The Loon light needs to be operated with both hands as it have a twist top switch. Mine just needs one hand and the switch is thumb operated. Light is on much less time + the light with the larger ends which allows it to stand vertically on the bench whereas the narrow lights would lay flat. regards, Don

Seems like a good time to build a list of YA GOTTA BE KIDDING While we can subscribe the items on the YA' GOTTA BE KIDDING list to this or that, I suspect it has to do with Yogurt and Double Latte's, Goretex and graphite fishing poles. To lead off: 1] A eastern CDN school has banned children from running in the playground. 2] Another school has banned the use of soccer balls as they are too hard. 3] The Halloween silliness in Calgary and elsewhere about kids wearing costumes. 4] With the above, how about the every year silliness about Xmas. Please feel free to add other silliness that has occurred. catch ya' Don

Guys/Gals, Got rods glued and played with some more body, gill, rib combinations. Here is the result. The two views above are the same fly. Copper wire rib, black thread body, bronze Flashabou cheeks This fly uses GunMetal Flashabou c/w copper rib Ddi a whole pile of flies waiting for glues to dry. Some combinations worked, some didn't. Don

tallieho, No lead or weight under thread. Look forward to pictures. Gaffer, Light is certainly cheaper. Good find. Don

Guys/Gals, Got some time this afternoon to play with some chironomids and the UV resin. Here are some pictures of a #12 C 49S with a body of tan Danvilles with a rib of tan larva Lace. A couple of things: 1] the larva lace disappeared as a lumpy rib. 2] the gills didn't wick up the resin allowing close application. I played with a lot of body color/rib combinations - some more successful that others. Depending how the rod gluing does in the AM, maybe I'll get some pictures done. catch ya' Don

Yes Junior, I do recall leaded vs unleaded. Ethanol poses larger troubles. Like peeling the liner out gasoline tanks, sucking up H20 causing rust, eating plastics [gas lines]. List goes on. Don

Folks, I think that with the posts here a lot of my questions have been answered + I've got pointers of where to look for other answers. What I would really like is some truths out there. I've heard more BS in the past 2 weeks than I thought possible. Is it truly possible to get true information . Seems like ones viewpoint certainly shades reality. Further, Harps comments seems to have hit a soft spot. This is exactly what confounds me. Comments like: "if you don't like it leave". Well, Harps family have been here a long time as has mine. We certainly recognize changes that have happened. Whether or not you see them as good depends on your perspective. My thanx to all for the help and insight. regards, Don

Ginger, Ya got it wrong. I'm not advocating jack shite - just getting tired of guys like Charles Adler thumping his bird like chest and spouting BS and advertising it as fact. What I'd really like to know is the truth. You've helped. regards, Don

Wished I could find something from a CDN site but this was the best I can do. Don the U.S. Government” the average cost at the pump for a gallon of gasoline is broken down as follows: 74% - Cost of the crude oil 11% - Taxes 10% - Refining costs 5% - Distribution and marketing In a simple illustration, let’s assume an oil company is paying $100 for a barrel (42 gallons) of basic crude oil. Their cost for a gallon will be about $2.38. At a gasoline-pump price of $4.00 per gallon, 44 cents has to pay for taxes and 20 cents for distribution and marketing expenses. This leaves $3.36 for the oil companies. Out of that total they have to pay for the cost of the gallon of crude oil itself which was $2.38 and also the 40 cents to refine it into gasoline. This leaves $0.58 profit per gallon of gasoline. As noted, however, depending on which report one looks at, this profit-margin can range anywhere between an estimated 30 to 60 cents per gallon. Remember this is in US Gallons. You do the math. And just for ricinus, Oil Companies have been crying about royalties since 1920 in Alberta. Are the companies still here? 100 years of continuous tears. Now if that was my kid, a spanking may be in order. Don

BBT, Research you say. But what is new in the Oil Sands? Great Canadian Oilsands [became Syncrude] used the Froth Process which was invented in 1869. Still using it today. Huff & Puff and Fire Floods have been around for 30+ years. Moving product from mineface>process plants via things with wheels has been going on since man invented the wheel. So what has the $78/bbl. in research uncovered? And I truly recognize a profit when it see it! regards, Don

After listening to Charles Adler this afternoon, I thought I'd best get the facts on some of the stuff about the Oil/Tar Sands. Was looking for info and I found this from the NEB energy report http://www.neb.gc.ca/clf-nsi/rnrgynfmtn/nr...152004-eng.html And from the above report I found: What are the (i) operating costs, and (ii) the supply cost of producing a barrel of oil from the oil sands? The estimated operating costs range from 4 to 14 dollars for bitumen and 12 to 18 dollars for synthetic crude oil. The estimated supply costs ranges from 10 to 19 dollars for bitumen and from 22 to 28 dollars for synthetic crude oil*. * Supply costs include operating costs, capital costs, taxes, royalties and the rate of return on investment. So....the real question: If the Supply costs are $28.00 and the sale price is <>$100. Where did the $72 go? Profit? regards, Don

Misterbig, Been doing some research and I found the following. Got the stuff from FlyMart yesterday and tied only 2 flies with it. Works. I may get a chance to play some more today depending on rod work. A fellow member of this forum pointed me to FlyMart. This member told me in the tests he'd done that this resin didn't yellow like others. The following stuff sounds good. Is available in Canada. See Flymart.ca http://www.flymart.ca/default.aspx?ctl=ctl...product_id=1452 And from You Tube - Dave Mcphail does a pile of videos on tying. These show Bug Bond: And these from some UK FF sites: http://www.flyforums.co.uk/fly-tying-forum...nd-buzzers.html http://www.flyforums.co.uk/fly-tying-mater...nd-buzzers.html http://www.flyforums.co.uk/fly-tying-forum...-st-buzzer.html http://www.flyforums.co.uk/saltwater-fly-f...50-bugbond.html

Clive, Apparently cameras on phones can do much the same thing. News article on the issue some months ago. The article focused on teenaged girls sending pictures to Facebook etc. Not only would the bad folks know where they lived but what they looked like. Scary. Don

jusfloatin, A second or two to drain a lawnmower. Ya' OK. Enough said. Don

jusfloatin et al, Back to the original post. The use of ethanol gasoline in engines that are not used constantly will suffer some difficulties adding to the cost of using the product and of course the cost to the environment as the useable gasoline is poured "somewhere" + of course the cost of hauling the now broken equipment to the repair shop. At the end of day, you didn't get the job done that the engine was required to do, you swore and cussed, you had to haul the crapped out equipment to the repair shop and get it back. All 'cause some bonehead decided that you were negatively effecting the environment by using too much gas. You had best walk the broken engine to the repair shop unless you pile it all in your Smart Car. Boy, do I love stupid Govt programs! Don

jusfloatin, Talked to some forest company guys the other day and they are leaving smaller pine trees in the bush. No market. Betcha they'd love to haul them. Not worth the diesel. The N. American farmer is the least energy efficient farmer in the world spending 15 barrels of diesel energy to recover 1 barrel of vegetation energy. Ethanol sounds like it only survives 'cause of Govt money. Makes no sense otherwise. Don

Have a happy read. A lot of problems that outboard motors have will be shared with gasoline engines that are not used often. Think lawnmowers/chainsaws/gen sets. http://www.floridaflyfishingmagazine.com/t...ol-dilemma.html And don't forget that ethanol converts food resources to gasoline additive. Another IDIOT Govt program. Don