Ricinus Posted March 25, 2010 Author Share Posted March 25, 2010 You guys have convinced me that you are right, she should be allowed to give her speech and if she crosses the line then go after her. regards Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBBrownie Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 From a fellow socialist, I can tell you the bold part from your comment is far scarier than anything Coulter is saying. At least I know up front that she is either (1) an idiot (2) a fairly brilliant comedienne. "does not alienate"? Sorry Riley, but that doesn't even pass the smell test. Lots of things are said every day that run the risk of "alienating" people; surely you can't mean the word "alienate" as a proposed litmus test? Forget socialism, you want fascism, where the state likes their role in the Orwellian Big Brother. As for "impinging on the rights of others", thanks but no thanks; that phrase is as nearly nonsensical and vague as "alienate". Freedom of speech, means all speech. Now having said that, I'll switch sides and agree that in certain, unique circumstances, hate speech could be criminal. For instance, inciting a riot, inciting violence: as in Rwanda, where the evil was partly spread by hate speech broadcast across radio. Hang those guys, I say! (Or at least put them in jail). But for the lunacy that is Anne Coulter? Show me where she actually has used her speech to promote violence, and I'll line up for the citizen's arrest. In the meantime, we should be far - FAR - more wary of so-called human rights commission that actually give a voice to people who whine about Mcleans magazine publishing an excerpt from a book they don't like, or taking a publisher to court, for the re-print of the Danish cartoons. Ever see that video. Ezra Levant is brilliant in tearing the AB Human Rights Commission a new one!: (more parts in the sidebar). Smitty Hmm...News to me, apparently I am a fascist?!? What in my words even hints at fascism? Did I say anything about corporatism? Did I say anything about assimilation- the only intolerance I may have hinted at is towards racists, sexists. Fascists don't accept different races, I believe that Anne Coulters crusade is more along these lines, putting down muslims, people of arabic descent becasue they don't fit her white american perspective. How does opposing racism or public forum for hate crime side me with racial assimilation, corporatism? Fascists are generally bound by ancestry, function as a unit- seems a bit of a stretch to link my comments to fascism. Hell, I believe in equal access, I don't understand why people would hate on others who are different, I love my country, but consider myself to be a global citizen. I believe in the power of positivity and using our words for good . I do stand by my belief that we have an obligation to accept and treat others with equality, if not for society, then for ourselves. If you live with positivity and respect then you will live in happiness. The fishing kind of happiness... Having said that, I realize that Annes event costs money, therefore not really a public forum, so perhaps it is not much different from a gangsta rap or dayglo abortions concert. Although my beliefs fall a long way from hers, I am not into censorship of private functions, perhaps I just wonder why anyone would buy into her brand of bigotry. I think your link to fascism was perhaps a bit hastey, this is a fly fishing board, most of us aren't here with an agenda! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitty Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Riley: "This is a flyfishing board"??? And? So? There is a reason they have a NFR forum - have you scrolled through and see what gets discussed here? Anyways, relax buddy, I didn't call you a fascist. My link to fascism was based on the singular comparison that if there's one thing fascists love, its censorship, something you appeared to support in your post (and since have clarified, somewhat, yet you're still into censorship of public functions?? Why?? Its MORE important to have NO censorship in public functions). I'm saying if you support censorship, then, you do have something in common with that ideology. Freedom of speech clauses aren't there to protect positive encouraging inspiring words from those like, say, Dr. King, its to protect those whose views we find abhorrent - like Ms. Coulter's. But I too wish society - particularly the media, would focus more on true leadership than what the latest potty mouth pundit can say in terms of selling their product. Smitty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryH Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Here are some words from the mouth of Noam Chomsky, one of the world's greatest pinko lefties -- even so, I couldn't have said it better myself. "If you believe in freedom of speech, you believe in freedom of speech for views you don't like. Stalin and Hitler, for example, were dictators in favor of freedom of speech for views they liked only. If you're in favor of freedom of speech, that means you're in favor of freedom of speech precisely for views you despise." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbowtrout Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 All in favor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reevesr1 Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 I hated that opinion. Terry should not be given a forum to espouse his revolutionary views. Freedom of speech for those who think differently? The horror. That could lead to freedom, and lord knows we don't want that. So it came from a pinko lefty? Gotta love those pinko lefties. Bet your bottom dollar Rush never said anything like that!! Or Anne for that matter!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbowtrout Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Should I ban Terry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reevesr1 Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 I'd consider it, except he knows a lot about some of those southern streams. Tell ya what, let's go fishing with him, pick his brain, and then ban him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duanec Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 so perhaps it is not much different from a gangsta rap or dayglo abortions concert. and what a brilliant expereince that used to be...haven't seen them in a while though... sorry back to the discussion about pinko lefties and banning terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBBrownie Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 and what a brilliant expereince that used to be...haven't seen them in a while though... sorry back to the discussion about pinko lefties and banning terry haha. I've seen them a few times in the past as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryH Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Should I ban Terry? Banned for quoting a commie pinko liberal?? No way. If I'm going out, it'll be with a quote from Glen Beck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonAndersen Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 But Terry, Has Glen Beck said anything quotable? Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hydropsyche Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Ever see that video. Ezra Levant is brilliant in tearing the AB Human Rights Commission a new one!: Rightwing jerk. What kind of Canada does he thinks he lives in? What a beautiful example of ideology gone too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricinus Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 Jon Stewart does Glenn Beck http://watch.thecomedynetwork.ca/the-daily...010/#clip276647 Regards Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdallr Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Jon Stewart does Glenn Beck http://watch.thecomedynetwork.ca/the-daily...010/#clip276647 Regards Mike That was a choice clip my man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitty Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Rightwing jerk. What kind of Canada does he thinks he lives in? What a beautiful example of ideology gone too far. Totally disagree. Whether you agree with is ideology, the only thing that went too far was the human rights commission. I guess people don't really care whether or not gov't org.'s are overstepping their bounds, eh, Hydro? Smitty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryH Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 But Terry, Has Glen Beck said anything quotable? Don Hey Don, I'm still looking . Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitty Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Would any of these qualify?: http://ouchoutrageousobnoxiousandodd.blogs...uotes-that.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hydropsyche Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Smitty. I couldn’t find the sarcasm emoticon. My second line should have given that away (HRC - ideology - gone too far) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonAndersen Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Smitty, Nope - no notable quotes from Glen Beck there. Amazing the amount of money he gets from feeding Paranoia, Racism & Stupidity. Reportedly over $20 million/yr. I'm in the wrong line of work. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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