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Check the archives in Phil Rowley's new web site and you should be able to find his MOAL leech step by step. It is a good one, well done.

True, however I like thin threads that are a lot stronger, and have moved to Bennechi's products for a lot of stuff like Chironomids, dries, nymphs, microleeches. just that for some reason it is not all that easy to get it in all the colors i want right now. a 10 weight is surprisingly strong, however if you are using a poor bobbin with no ceramic insert and have it set too tight you will not get far with any light thread. I like the Nor-Vise automatic bobbins.

For steelhead and salmon I always have had my drag set tight enough to avoid a birds nest but on a solid hook-up tended to tighten using the drag up to a point and also palmed it a lot given I was usually able to use a heavier leader and tippet. Until this Xmas I had been using a SA model 78 reel on which the drag was always a bit sticky so I did not want to set it up so tight that it might be an issue. On lakes for pike, walleye and trout I tended to do the same but started with it a tiny bit tighter, as sometimes if fishing for pike in particular their first runs were pretty fast, plus I would be using a stronger leader and tippet. Lake rainbow with very clear water negates heavy leader/tippets so I tended to leave it set to just avoid a bird nest forming and palmed the reel a bit as needed ... With my new reel I would like to think I would prefer to use the drag more directly, but who can tell if I will do that, as years of doing it the old ways might have me reacting as I normally would ... but I just might change my habits fast if I were to lose a good one ...

In the same theme, back in the late 1950s to late 1960s i used to fish an almost inexhaustable creek that had a thriving brook trout population with fish up to 4 pounds but averaging around 3/4 to 1 pound. In recent years I went back and there are no brook trout or rainbow...just red sided shiners...worse yet there is barely any fish habitat left....water flows are almost not there at all any more. Logging in the surrounding watersheds in that small valley has done a more thorough job on those brookies than what I saw happening to the cutties on Vanc. Island.

That is a nice stone Jack.

Here you go... http://www.renzetti.com/product.php?produc...=257&page=2 I just used a needle that I heated up and bent to the shape i wanted.

The front of my drift boat has an area in front of the leg support that is quite useable to keep running line in while casting. Other than that I have often thought it would be a good idea but never used one.

Thanks for all the advice fellows. I went out this morning and bought the Airflow 40+ 8WF, taking Jack's amd Headscan's advice.

Thanks again headscan ... I would not have though of that possibility.

Thanks for the comment Headscan. Are there clearly defined issues with it and what would you see as an advantage going to the 40+ lines?

Thanks guys. I was leaning toward the intermediate as well for this. Have either of you tried the Rio Outbound lines yet? So far some say they have heard good thins about iit but so far I have yet to talk to anyone who has used it to any extent. I also have kept my flies less weighted in general for rivers, and have been using some smaller clouser style ties that use bead chain eyes that are not so heavy as the usual ones used for clousers - those I will leave to use in the saltwater as well as some lake use as well. I will visit our local shop as well as the ones in Grande Prairie AB and see what they have in the way of Airflo lines. I am not much in a rush given the time of year anyway.

That is one very clear photo

Do you find it is harder to keep a fish on when using these long streamer hooks? This was one reason I went to tubes for this kind of tie.

I am in the market for a new line having been given a new large arbor reel for Christmas. When I got to looking at all the options out there I quickly came here to ask for an informed opinion. I have mostly used Rio fly lines and I noted they now offer the Outbound lines. http://www.rioproducts.com/product.php?recKey=33 So for use in rivers swinging streamers and small clousers what do you think. Larger rivers like the Bow as well as ones the size of the Crowsnest and Elk rivers as well as some use in lakes. Floating? Hover? Intermediate?

I like it Wolfie. I just wonder why you did not use an up-eyed salmon hook for it...

You had best not embarrass yourself buddy. i contracted the work, supervised it and it is in the parks library. Dumb sucks may not have access as they often have an ulterior motive

pgk you are the one who should take a deep breath, gain some fundamental concept of ecology before you try to pass your BS onto educated folks. get with the train or do you really want to end up with a real job at the end of the day. My son and I just recently hired five professional biologists and I used some of the material here from your stupid rhetoric to sort out those we did not want to hire. As a matter of fact when I was a bio for the Parks in BC I did the same damned thing. Do not think too green or you may realise in time that people know the truth of it. Go figure on your own.

Mcleod, well said. You just hit the nail but more data is available to support what we are saying rather than the wannabe park biologists/planning types. Keep the thread consistent guy you are a help here.

and he actually does not know what he is talking about so why try to please his ego by gving an answer like that?

dream on pgk that is BS and not an argument

This is actually false, not true and Bull.

ACTUAL RESEARCH IN THE MK has shown the use of jet boat traffic in the area has had little or not negative impact. Yet another contradiction of your ideas.

You park planning types are all alike. When the first of the Protected Areas in BC were implemented including taking a huge area out of the Muskwa-Kechika and making a park out of it you wannabe biologists wanted to implement huge areas in the wilderness wherein NOBODY was going to be allowed to be there for any reason. That is Pure unadulterated truth as I was there. And after the fires burned low there was one less planner and we no longer had to worry about BS like this. Ecologically nothing is gained from leaving things to natural forces. Nothing is enjoyed by mandkind so there is no value to such areas either. I cannot beleive the bunk here, and you have even seemed to convince a few who have not enough biological background to know how to question you. Bizarre!

Northern BC actually in most of the remote areas have far too many grizzly. Our grizzly here are dependent on predation to maintain their numbers and people in the backcountry are experiencing what the greenies should! A totally dumb mis-management scenario.

Thanks for that Max. I had been planning to say something like that but it got lost, lol I guess that looking in my chironomid and nymph boxes I do the same with far less thought about it, since I normally tie more in the evenings after a day of fishing that are based on one or more throat pump samples. I seem also to do the same with nymphs even though from time to time a gold bead is used just because I am not in reach of anything else, and I have no evidence it makes a real difference or not, as you also mentioned. Last summer I tied three nymphs using Nymph Head beads with 3D eyes using the natural colors and all matched to stone fly nymph patterns. I fished those on the Columbia River in southern BC in early July and while I did get a few on them, once i got dialed into what really worked and where, the bead color did not seem to matter so much but only over a sample of 37 rainbow taken over one morning and three evenings .... and 8 of those were on a nymph with no bead at all. The better catches came later using caddis emergers and black ants anyway.