cowtownscribe Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Hey all. This was sent out by a fellow OWC member. The draft plan suggests non-residents, in addition to having limited numbers of days fishing, may also be required to engage the services of a guide. Check it out for yourself: http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_north/interi...n/29757024.html Anyone on this Board currently fish the Skeena? Tight Lines! CS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duanec Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Hey all. This was sent out by a fellow OWC member. The draft plan suggests non-residents, in addition to having limited numbers of days fishing, may also be required to engage the services of a guide. Check it out for yourself: http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_north/interi...n/29757024.html Anyone on this Board currently fish the Skeena? Tight Lines! CS. i did a couple back... wtf? another bc a.m.p. that looks like [on the surface anyways] it's gonna make it harder for us who don't have the privilidge of living bc to fish there? seriously: what-the-f? many thanks for the heads up, i'll be doing some homework as i have some contacts up there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcubed Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 another one, where they talked to the guides and fisherman, and not one hotel or anything in that area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMasson Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Wow, that's a really great idea. Limiting the number of days that I or any other non-resident angler can come and fish in that area will also limit the income of the buisinesses in the area. Obviously the guides in the area like this idea. It basically gives them a monopoly on all non-resident anglers to the entire watershed. If I owned a hotel, restaurant, gas station...any kind of tourist related buisiness in the Terrace/ Smithers area I would be writing letters and calling anyone that would listen to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykiss Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Yep the AMP is an absolute joke. To get to the point they are at with the draft proposal is scary enough...if it goes through then good luck in the lottery.. Its all about greed and nothing about conserving the fishery... They have working groups made up of 3 guides 4 local fisherman and a politician deciding what is good for all involved with the areas....another joke as apparently they do not have an agenda. You can check into it on flybc.ca...or at http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/ske/qws/feedback/ ......and I cannot wait for that response form to open up and I hope anyone else that ever intends to head up to the Skeena in hopes of finding steel put the pressure on the powers to be to stop these ignorant _ _ _ _ '_.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverDoctor Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Yea I fish the Skeena when I can, was raised in BC so know the waters. Sadly I won't make it out there this year. It smacks of a monopoly and cash grab to me. Just a bunch of guys trying to close the market and waters for themselves is my opinion. Email writing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtforward Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 At least you could argue that they know the value of the resource although it may not pan out the why a select group thinks. BC should instead look to Alberta for a blue print in how we manage non resident fishing or fishing in general for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykiss Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 The response forum is now open.... http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/ske/qws/feedback/ Time to provide feed back from the "non-resident" group... Make your voice be heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markd Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I'm going to bump this, to let people take a look at the "working groups" and try to find the equal distribution of people who are working on this...The hotels and everything need to be just pissed. just ridicilous If this goes through, and you ever want to go arguably steelhead fishing in the best steelhead watershed in THE WORLD....good luck in the lottery, vying for 1 of around 100 TOTAL non-resident licences..for a total stay of 8 days. I'm all for paying for the classified waters and steelhead tags for this watershed, they offer something that is completely worth the money, but this is getting ridicilous Appendix A. Members of the Working Groups East Working Group Tom Espersen Resident angler Tony Harris Resident angler Gord Wolfe Resident angler Michael Hurwitz Resident angler Tom Jones Resident angler-alternate Bob Hull Guide Brian Schneider Guide Richard Pow Guide Keith Douglas Guide-alternate Jeff Lough MOE Dorli Duffy Facilitator, Alan Dolan & Associates Central Working Group David Larson Resident angler Doug Eftoda Resident angler Don Intermela Resident angler Jason Wiley Resident angler Ian Trombley Resident angler-alternate Bob Clay Guide Gene Allen Guide Tom Lee Guide Dean Peard MOE Alan Dolan Senior Facilitator, Alan Dolan & Associates West Working Group Jason Ouellet Resident angler Chris Culp Resident angler Jim Culp Resident angler Rob Brown Resident angler Michael Johnston Resident angler-alternate Dan Daigle Guide Dustin Kovacvich Guide Andrew Rushton Guide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkk Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 An email I got PLEASE READ THIS AND FILL OUT! Fellow Steelhead fishermen, Many of you are aware of the new Angling Management Plan (AMP) for the Skeena River steelhead fishery. Those of you that havn't heard of it need only to know that it ends the freedom of non-guided non-residents to fish when and where they want. Several groups of anglers and businessmen have been fighting this plan, but until now they have been doing it independently. Success in defeating the AMP depends on the ability of these groups to combine their voices and coordinate their efforts. There is now an on-line petition opposing the AMP that finally provides an opportunity for hundreds of anglers to send the same message. It can be found at www.opposeskeenaamp.com <http://www.opposeskeenaamp.com/>. Signing the petition will cost nothing, take a few seconds, and could save the Skeena fishery that we all love. The more names on the petition, the greater the effect. Pass this e-mail on. Spread the word. Every name counts. Next year, we can all spread out and find our favorite stretch of steelhead water, but for now, we need to work together. We can beat this thing. I hope you will help and sign this petition. all the best, Jim Vincent Thanks PK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordon Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 petition hot linked for ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtforward Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 A couple of comments. The posting of the individual's making up the working group is a double edge sword in my mine. Nice to know who is involved but you do not know each individual's position on the issue. Don't assume because a person is a guide that they are in favour of all of the current plan. Some of the committee member's ideas may have ended up on the cutting room floor. I know of one guide who withdrew from the committee. There may be others. This plan is not about the fish and has been stated many times elsewhere. It is about the detoriation of the fishing experience taking place in a very compressed time window. By all means as an NRA if you feel strongly about the issue cast your vote even if it is a straw vote. I wonder if something similar was ever considered on the OP or Montana how much weight their ruling body would give out of country NRAs. Last time I checked the fish farming and commercial fisheries are still operating on the West coast and their activity is still having considerable negative impact on the fishery. Maybe that should get top billing. Just don't get your hopes up. This is a BC provincial movie and only BC residents can attend. I am a NRA and still hope that some form of compromise can be worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markd Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 We're NOT NRA's, and thats the problem..we're NR's....Seems we are as far of a drive in calgary, as the vancouver people are to smithers..Cut the americans out, but not your country men. Or alberta needs to start harping on guides from BC coming to alberta to save themselves Guiding Days and have the bow as a classified system.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headscan Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 An email I got PLEASE READ THIS AND FILL OUT! Fellow Steelhead fishermen, Many of you are aware of the new Angling Management Plan (AMP) for the Skeena River steelhead fishery. Those of you that havn't heard of it need only to know that it ends the freedom of non-guided non-residents to fish when and where they want. Several groups of anglers and businessmen have been fighting this plan, but until now they have been doing it independently. Success in defeating the AMP depends on the ability of these groups to combine their voices and coordinate their efforts. There is now an on-line petition opposing the AMP that finally provides an opportunity for hundreds of anglers to send the same message. It can be found at www.opposeskeenaamp.com <http://www.opposeskeenaamp.com/>. Signing the petition will cost nothing, take a few seconds, and could save the Skeena fishery that we all love. The more names on the petition, the greater the effect. Pass this e-mail on. Spread the word. Every name counts. Next year, we can all spread out and find our favorite stretch of steelhead water, but for now, we need to work together. We can beat this thing. I hope you will help and sign this petition. all the best, Jim Vincent Thanks PK Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkk Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Please fill out this response form also: http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/ske/qws/feedback/ They are grouping all non bc canadians with non canadians in their proposals. Steelhead are both federally and provincially managed fish so some of your tax dollars are already spent there. All wrong. I dont mind paying more, being restricted some way but dont group me in with non resident with regards to this. PLEASE and THANKS in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alhuger Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Please fill out this response form also: http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/ske/qws/feedback/ They are grouping all non bc canadians with non canadians in their proposals. Steelhead are both federally and provincially managed fish so some of your tax dollars are already spent there. All wrong. I dont mind paying more, being restricted some way but dont group me in with non resident with regards to this. PLEASE and THANKS in advance Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headscan Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Please fill out this response form also: http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/ske/qws/feedback/ They are grouping all non bc canadians with non canadians in their proposals. Steelhead are both federally and provincially managed fish so some of your tax dollars are already spent there. All wrong. I dont mind paying more, being restricted some way but dont group me in with non resident with regards to this. PLEASE and THANKS in advance Ugh. Before filling it out I took the time to read through the executive summary for the first time. Completely ridiculous. I don't mind spending extra money, but have a problem being lumped in with the rest of the world. Makes it even worse (for me) that I'm a former resident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykiss Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 To follow up on the Petition and the Response form. I'll give you the mailing address's for the Minister of Environment Honourable Barry Penner PO Box 9047 STN PROV GOVT Victoria, BC Canada V8W 9E2 and Minister of Tourism Honourable Bill Bennett PO Box 9071 STN PROV GOVT Victoria, BC Canada V8W 9E9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whistler Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 For those concerned with steelhead conservatiopn I thought I would pass this along: http://speypages.com/speyclave/showthread.php?t=31083 a few things to consider: non Canadians should have to pay more than out of province Canadians Steelhead Society membership and equal voting rights(by proxy)are available to non residents of BC the AMP as tabled is really bad for Steelhead on a conservation level bait is for little fat kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alhuger Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Ugh. Before filling it out I took the time to read through the executive summary for the first time. Completely ridiculous. I don't mind spending extra money, but have a problem being lumped in with the rest of the world. Makes it even worse (for me) that I'm a former resident. Ditto, if the taxes were not so much more favorable I would switch my residency back. Not likely now though given our current economic climate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newflyer Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 before I type this - don't get me wrong I am against this so called "management plan" What if a plan that worked good for the ram river... catch and release... was strongly opposed by a bunch of people in Montana while it was being implemented, and they created a petition? What would we all have said about that... we should be careful about treading to strongly on another provinces wishes, there is a strong possibility that there are issue we are not fully grasping... again don't get me wrong I am just presenting the other side - I don't think there are any issues that we are missing here - it is a crap plan, period I am just sayin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headscan Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 before I type this - don't get me wrong I am against this so called "management plan" What if a plan that worked good for the ram river... catch and release... was strongly opposed by a bunch of people in Montana while it was being implemented, and they created a petition? What would we all have said about that... we should be careful about treading to strongly on another provinces wishes, there is a strong possibility that there are issue we are not fully grasping... again don't get me wrong I am just presenting the other side - I don't think there are any issues that we are missing here - it is a crap plan, period I am just sayin' I think a couple of things were already mentioned earlier - they're lumping all non-BC Canadians in with non-Canadians and steelhead are federally protected so a percentage of our federal tax dollars go into the fishery. Plus, catch and release is a conservation measure and the Skeena AMP is about crowding so I don't think the example works too well. There are a couple of good threads on FlyBC and SpeyPages about the AMP that do a much better job at explaining it all. And from what I can tell, most on FlyBC (residents) are opposed to it as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newflyer Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 again - don't get me wrong I think it AMP is a bad plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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