gil knot some thick rubber legs, larvae lace or vinyl ribbing..... mich easier too work with i can make a ton of knots down the cord then cut it afterwords and its way more durable! i like too tye my stones dark backed with a light tan/grey belly... hear is a old photo of my "robinstone" still my most productive and favorite stone ive bin fishing for 3 years now.. cranked out 75 of em last month.... i like longshank streamer hooks. its got alot of steps but all i use in it is rubber legs, dubbing, wire and thinskin... i add lead on teh inside and squish it with plyers too look more like the stones(wide and flat) i fisn too many paterns are too round and deep...