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Something else to read:
Rapid recovery of exhausted adult coho salmon
after commercial capture by troll fishing
Anthony P. Farrell, Patricia E. Gallaugher, and Richard Routledge
Abstract: To reduce mortality in the by-catch of commercial salmon fisheries, techniques are being explored to revive
fish before live release and improve survival. By measuring blood and muscle variables, we demonstrated that capture
of coho salmon (Oncorhynchus kisutch) by commercial trolling methods resulted in severe exhaustion and stress, e.g.,
muscle lactate reached 46.1 mmol·kg–1 while muscle phosphocreatine (PCr) decreased to 6.1 mmol·kg–1. Nevertheless,
coho salmon recovered rapidly by swimming in a cage alongside the vessel while fishing activity continued. In particular,
there were significant increases in muscle glycogen and PCr levels, and a decrease in muscle lactate after two
hours. Notably, and in contrast to when exhausted fish are held stationary during recovery, plasma lactate remained low
(<4 mmol·L–1) during recovery, a phenomenon observed in earlier laboratory studies with rainbow trout (Oncorhynchus
mykiss). There was no postcapture delayed mortality after 24 h. Therefore, we have established that postexhaustion activity
promotes a rapid recovery in wild salmon and this result might find application in nonretention commercial and
recreational fishing.
Thanks for your input Pseudonym. Perhaps long playing times are not as detrimental as prevously thought. I'll still fight the fish quickly, because I like to catch lots
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I think Max has it. If you find you are getting lots of foul hook ups, spread your flies out a bit more.
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OK then. For me I will still fight them as fast as possible. It seems to be in their best interests to fight them quickly. It is very rare that I fight a fish for more than 4 min, then I'm off for the next one. I guess it depends on where you derive your pleasure from. For me it's the first 10-20 seconds of the fight. To each his own...
I'm also one of those guys who plants his feet, well maybe walks straight back to the shoreline to land fish. There is very few fish in the Bow over 5lb, even 4lb. They are not that hard to fight once you turn them into some slower water. I guess everyone has to find a way that works for them.
Here's a simple read for everyone:
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Pseudonym, do you have any concerns about the amount of lactic acid that builds up in the fishes muscles after a 20 minute fight? Is this an issue or just folklore?
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They flip over to loose altitude when coming in to land some times. Pintails do it at greater speeds and makes for a great show.
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Clive I'm not afraid of the ice. It makes for good cover (undercut ice bank). Your feet freeze whether there is ice on or off at this time of the year. I never said I was smart, just willing...
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South of Cardston, then west, then south. Stop before you cross the border
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Open water! Where's my tube???????????
I wonder how many replacement signs you'll need?
Thanks for all your work guys.
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There is quite a bit of instream spawning in the Bow above the Elbow by rainbows. They don't seem to use the Elbow that much but I have talked to some people who have seen them there.
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Are you going to start a netting school for Texans Rick?
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Awesome Tim! I love it. Snowcones, Wild berry rod and reel and a great guide (papa Tim). Those BH fish are in for a whuppin'. I'll be showing my daughter tomorrow.
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That looks like a great little creek. Every adventure makes you a better angler.
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It would be a good experiment to learn how to fight fish with no backing on the reel. This would force people to learn how to slow/turn fish and subdue them quickly.
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Thanks for your insights WollyBuggered.
Here is some more to read for the rest of us poorly informed folks.
http://www.dfw.state.or.us/OHRC/materials/...SterileFish.pdf
Looks like not much difference in growth, but perhaps a bit longer life for 3N. I guess the results are not very conclusive considering all the different studies.
One thing that is positive about 3N females at Bullshead is that they will be less susceptible to angling if they are not milling along the shoreline in April. Perhaps a few more will stay out of Medicine Hat freezers and be seen jumping at the end of Clive's line during one of the wind storms he brings from his house.
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WoolyBuggered, is there no difference in growth in the females after sexual maturation? Do you have a reference I can get educated with?
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No problem Clive. My buddies and I are 15 years behind you so we are still "mongers r us". I'll be watching, listening and learning to see how it is done while you slide into retirement. We have already noticed a little "oldfartism" creeping into our thinking. Hopefully with time we will get more cranky so we can get some things changed like you guys!
Cheers, Rob
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The difference Jeff will be the female triploids will be shiny, chrome fish that are heavy due to muscle, not full of eggs like the fish of the past. That's why Tako is calling the spawners "boots".
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Based on what has happened in many BC lakes, I think there is a good chance we will see some fatter 20" fish in three years. Results will vary due to differences in water chemistry, food availability, disease resistance, water temp adaptation and angling pressure etc. I think it is a good idea to try this experiment. If stocking numbers continue to decrease we will eventually get some serious growth.
Triploids are not a new species, just a genetically altered strain of the same old thing.
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Looks like all the guys fighting over the poo hole in Fish Creek
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Some have said, "they are not endangered enough!"
I found it interesting while wading in a Montana river to find pelicans that had made incredible dives down in the river and ended up with 5lb rocks in their bills. What do you think the chances of that would be? (Especially since white pelicans don't dive).
White pelicans and Rocky mountain whitefish are not the most popular in Montana.
Mr. Sundance, if that is your real name, do not be jealous that I am "abedding" someone else. I am a fish whore after all. I think you should use the term abetting though.
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Man Al, you and Clive are cranky old buggers
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One of my friends has recently purchased a sling shot for these aggressive pelicans at one of the lakes we go to. They are almost as bad as the loons in BC that dive under your boat as you are releasing fish. I remember fishing by Merritt one summer and the loons would come to your boat if they heard your reel. It got so bad that you just had to stand up and shake your rod and they would come. These birds love catch and release fishing. I watched them eat some nice fat 18" fish.
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Thanks Al. I've heard there is pike in the wetlands across the border. Maybe the government is being proactive against the bucket brigade stocking fools.
Cheers, Rob
Line Pressure
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Now I'm really confused about this thread. The last time I took Sundancefisher fishing he yelled at me at least a dozen times, "YOU SUCK!". Now this is REALY how he feels about my fishing ability and not all this other flattery crap (trying to find out some more fishing spots that Rickr showed me). I'm sure Pseudo knows some real pro fishermen that I could learn tons from. I like the idea of someone trying to pass on info gained from experience, that is a great quality. Hopefully this thread will die before it gets any stranger.