TerryH

Din, if you're getting your information from chiropractors, homeopaths, and naturopaths, that explains everything, as far as I'm concerned. Don't believe everyone with a doctor in front of their name -- their credibility depends on how and where they got their degree. As it happens, I have a PhD, but it's in Mechanical Engineering. Therefore, despite being legally entitled to use the title "Dr" (which I rarely if ever do) I have absolutely no expertise in medicine, and the important thing is that I know it. That's why I'm very careful in checking the sources of all the information I'm getting on the H1N1 issue. I would suggest when it comes to public health, virology, and microbiology, that chiropractors, homeopaths, and naturopaths are not qualified either. On the other hand, my training and experience allows me to sift through conflicting information, to assess the credibility of various sources, and to come to an informed personal decision. Basically, that's what we all have to do -- I'm just saying, watch where you're getting your information. Many people are saying the information on H1N1 is confusing. Well, I've found the information from the medical people to be anything but confusing. The confusion is coming from homeopaths, naturopaths, quacks, and hollywood nutbars. If you tune out all those sources, guess what? -- no confusion. As an aside, I have heard the naturopath argument (repeated elsewhere in this thread) that a strong immune system is the key to avoiding the disease. I assume that's where you're coming from with the vitamin D and B12 recommendation. I would point out that the medical people agree a strong immune system is good, however, they also say that it will not prevent you from getting the disease if you are exposed. Furthermore, there is some concern in the medical community (as reported in today's papers) that the severe cases in young people may be due to their immune system reacting too strongly. Terry

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but my reaction after reading this is quite simple: Bull Sh!t Terry

Smitty -- excellent article, thanks for posting. Unscientificangler -- thank you also for your comments. I think a lot of us non-medical types (engineer in my case) get the message, but it sounds much more convincing when coming from someone with some medical expertise. As I mentioned in a previous post, I am old enough to remember the pre-vaccine polio days. I was around 10 during the mid-fifties, and let me tell you, it was scary. If you got polio, you either died, spent the rest of your life in an iron lung (think of a horizontal oil barrel with only your head sticking out), or if you were lucky, you were crippled for the rest of your life. There was no telling who was going to get it next, and everyone was looking over their shoulder. When the vaccine was announced, I don't think anyone gave a damn what was in it, how much it had been tested or what the Jenny McCarthy types thought. In fact, I don't recall any Jenny McCarthy types spouting their nonsense. Since there was no internet, and TV was just being rolled out in western Canada, people got their medical information from doctors -- probably a good thing. Terry

That seems very complicated. Why not just consult these guys about what to do. Terry

I agree with much of the above -- i.e. the need for a Streamwatch program, given that the government is probably never going to provide a suitable level of enforcement. For this reason, I've supported the program in tangible ways -- i.e. cash donations, donations to the online auction, and I will continue to give. However, I am concerned that if Streamwatch is going to be an ongoing program, as opposed to a stop gap measure, there is the risk of donor fatigue setting in. Perhaps that is already happening. Anyway, where I'm headed is to suggest that a formal report be published at the end of each season. The report should give statistics on the number of warnings, charges, convictions etc. so that donors and potential donors can see the impact of the program. Terry

Rick, right on -- you've got it figured. :lol: And while you're at it, would you please give us all a lesson on the difference between probability and risk. I think there are some folks here who need a few lectures on risk management. Terry

No thanks, I've got all the bridges I need. Interesting data you have on the risk of death from H1N1 flu -- what medical journal did you find it in? Oh, by the way, would you like to comment on the two teenagers in Ontario who died from H1N1 in the last two days? According to news reports, both were perfectly healthy individuals who came down with flu symptoms and were dead within 48 hours. I don't dispute that we all have to make our own personal decision about whether or not to get an H1N1 flu vaccination. However, make it an informed decision, which for me means giving the highest level of credibility to the views of medical specialists. Terry

I had my seasonal flu shot last week (and lived to tell), and I'll be getting my H1N1 shot as soon as it's available. As one who lived through the years before polio vaccine, I have a strong appreciation for the huge impact that vaccinations have had on public health. And I also understand that if the full benefit of any vaccine is to be achieved, it is necessary that a very high percentage of the population be vaccinated. It is truly ironic that we have several generations of people who have avoided many significant diseases because they were vaccinated when young, and because they're healthy now, they question the need for vaccines. I've heard people say things like "I'm going to trust my immune system." Well guess what, your immune system won't prevent you from getting H1N1 flu or any other flu; it might quicken your recovery -- key word is might. Folks, it is very simple, cut through all the BS that is being spread by people who have no medical qualifications, listen to the public health experts, and get your H1N1 flu shot. Terry

Huh???? Official NHL stats, October 23, 2009 Edmonton Oilers GP 9 W 6 L 2 OT 1 PTS 13 Calgary Flames GP 9 W 6 L 2 OT 1 PTS 13

Official NHL stats -- October 23, 2009 Heatly GP: 10 G:6 A:6 Penner GP: 9 G: 7 A: 7 I guess things worked out for the best . Terry

Have a great B'day Paul. Terry

Great photos, nice fish, Gary. Now I understand why you disappear every fall. Terry

Fight Phaneuf?????????? Gimme a break -- has anyone ever managed to fight Phaneuf? I've seen a lot of guys trying to chase him down, but Phanuef usually finds his way to the bench before anything happens. On the topic at hand (speaking as an Oilers fan -- in case anyone was wondering), Iginla is a class player, and I saw the whole event with Souray as unintentional. Iginla knows the code, and that's why he was prepared to go with Moreau. He showed further class, by not thumping Moreau after he slipped. Terry

Hey, that's my line!!!! GO OILERS GO. Terry

Yawn.

For most rational people, it always was a bad word. Anyway, it's not amazing at all -- name one place on the planet where socialism has worked. Cuba & Korea come quickly to mind. Terry

I don't read from the chart that Canada is doing all that badly -- there are only 4 countries shown with higher GDP/capita than Canada. Also, I'm not sure that big GDP can be interpreted as "richness." I was surprised more by France's position than Saudi Arabia's. With regard to the latter, if you took away the contribution from oil production, Saudi Arabia would rank right down there with Syria, Ethiopia, Zimbabwe etc. The most disturbing thing about where the US is headed right now, is the ratio of debt to GDP. Have a look at the chart at the following site. http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_debt_chart.html In comparison, Canada's debt/GDP is expected to be around 33% by the end of the fiscal year. The only way the US can deal with their growing debt is to print money, lots of it. That leads to inflation and you can bet Canada will be affected bigtime. How do you deal with inflation -- among other things, you crank interest rates. All the geezers on this board, myself included, will remember mortgage rates in the 20% range. Terry

It was my first time there, and after I got past the moose, I was only out for maybe an hour and a half, but I did land a nice rainbow that taped out at 20". It's a gorgeous lake, and I'd like to spend more time there some day. Terry Actually, she was in pretty good shape -- very healthy looking coat. Terry

Last week at Whiteswan Lake, BC. Terry

Although I've had a waterproof camera for a few years now, I've not had much luck at getting decent underwater fish photos. This is partly because I fish by myself a lot. Even when I have been with someone, it seems the lighting is never right, the water is not clear, or the fish is out of focus or not in the frame. However, the theme for this month's POTM turned out to be perfect, because this past weekend, I finally got a shot that turned out not too bad. I was out with my son David, and he caught this beautiful cutty on a CW stream in BC. Of course the photo is special because it is a permanent reminder of the great time David and I had fishing together that day. However, it is truly special for another reason. On the same date in August, I was fishing the exact same spot with a good friend from Edmonton, and you guessed it -- I caught what I'm sure is the same fish. The following shows pictures from both days, and I have marked a few spot patterns that have convinced me it is the same fish. Although I expect that fish will be watching for me on October 19, I think he deserves a rest, so I'll find something else to do that day . Terry

From today's Edmonton Journal: Hippo eats man fishing illegally KINSHASA A hippopotamus killed a member of Democratic Republic of Congo government forces at Virunga National Park while he was fishing illegally, a local environmental NGO said Saturday. Private Sebagendi was killed Thursday when he was fishing along with five other people on Lake Edward in spite of a fishing ban. “As he could not swim he was devoured by the hippo which had earlier overturned their boat,” an NGO official said, adding that the incident was the first of its kind in the park.

I was afraid someone would dredge up this old thread -- shoulda guessed it would be you Chris. Oh well, I expect better from the skmos on Friday. Terry

Have a great day Andrew. BTW, saw a nice pic of you recently in a fly shop, holding a -- guess what -- a big bully. Well done. Terry

At my age, they're all kinda slow. Terry

Check out 57.214480556N 4.57059999W. Terry