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Ok, so how do you balance: Let's say small swivel, #10 wire worm, #16 winter stone, #20 midge (just as a for instance) in say 4 ft of water (not that I have anyplace in particular in mind ) Right now, I would have the swivel, say 2 ft to the worm, then stone, then midge. 8" to a foot between the flies. I'd probably have my indicator 6 to 8 feet above the swivel, but I'm not all that diligent in changing that length, unless it is noticeably short. Should I rig it different? How and what is the rationale?

Birchy, I used to have that problem too. But I gotta say that I just don't get tangled up that often anymore. As long as you wait on the backcast, and the wind is reasonable they just seem to unfurl. Be interesting to see it that holds with the hooks oriented differently. Want to have some real fun, try 3 flies and a swivel.

Mostly clinch and improved. I used to tie some palomars, but not so much any more. I'll try this though. I will probably do the extreme hook up knot on the front (worm) and the regular hook up knot on the other two. I'll still tie to the bend on the hooks on the worm and whatever I have second (probably a winter stone). I have a place in mind to try and I'll let you know how it works.

Sorta like when cutties are hitting the indicator. Switch to a dry. Or in the saltwater case, a nice red and white skitterwalk topwater. Funnest way there is to catch trout, short of a fly rod.

Ahh James, you're making me all misty... Caught more specks on the old gold 3/8 oz (which they don't make anymore) Johnson's Sprite than I could ever count. If we ever make it down south together, I'll introduce you to the magic that is the Pink 52MR (I would never come back to the dock with it on. Never wanted anyone else to see it. I nicknamed it "The Embarrassment") The only clear water mirrolure better than the old red and white!

Caught my one and only red on a spoon fly. If I had to fish to survive and could only have one lure, it would definitely be a spoon. Doesn't look like anything, but sure do catch fish.

Come on guys, of course they are real. I mean, there is one that advertises for Kokanee. And I think another one that used to do ads for Boston Pizza. I think Saltamontes has "dated" the Boston Pizza guys (what do you call a male sasquatch?) mom. By the way Saltamontes, didn't your buddies ever teach you NEVER to actually go to sleep with a girl when really drunk? Always leave, or politely ask her to leave if it is your house, while still drunk. That way you never have to know the truth, and she can always be as smokin' hot as she was at 2 am.

WhoooHoo! Any excuse to post Shark Fishing Pictures, again (sundancefisher started it).... All fish released to terrorize tourists another day!

Happy belated birthday Max!

This should be fun.

Probably part of the mentality. We like to think we're trickin' 'em.

Hey Hydro, After thinking about this, it did get me to wondering. A buzzbomb, like the mirrolures I used to use, don't represent anything really. I guess some would say a buzzbomb represents a juvenile fish or big ass minnow. Not really though.I think it, like some of the bigger saltwater baits, is trying to draw reaction strikes? Or "I don't know what it is, so I'll eat it" strikes. Are there any smaller "fly" equivalents? I'm sure there have to be fly equivalents. Flies that don't look like anything at all but seem to work?

Different world my man! And it's called a Mirrolure. On a river fly fishing is very effective, at least for trout. On a bay/surf you gotta WANT it to fish with a fly rod!

Gary, I would never have told it had I not read your story about your friend. First off, it triggered the memory. But more than that showed me that sometimes it's ok to tell pretty personal stories as they can help others remember important people in their life. Thanks to everyone for all the kind words. Now, I have to go back to being sarcastic. Too much touchy-feely for one week.

In saltwater, I catch fish using a 4" hard plastic bait. One of my favorites is pink/yellow with gold flash. Doesn't look like anything that is, or ever has been, alive. It also has 3 treble hooks sticking out of it. #2s. I've casted it into schools of fish that were feeding on shrimp so hard that the shrimp were jumping out of the water to flee. Unfortunately for the shrimp, the were fleeing right into the kill zone of waiting sea gulls. Anyway, you could throw the most realistic shrimp pattern you wanted and maybe hook a fish. Chunk that mirrolure in there and the strike was instantaneous. Also lots of soft plastics work, but mostly in colors that just do not appear in nature. My bet is a properly presented streamer would be deadly. But it would have lots of pretty colors. My point is that in saltwater, directly representing a food item rarely works as well as an impressionistic approach. I know that does not directly correlate to fresh water, but it has to mean something.

Nice fish!

Yeah, but sometimes you get free donuts!

Ryan, I have an old Dell Latitude laptop that I am typing on right now. It has a piece of crap internal mouse that basically does its own thing, but I'm too cheap to buy a new one. Actually, I did buy a new one, but I'm too lazy to move my wife's email stuff to the new laptop. Can you come over and do it for free? I'll teach you how to run a nuclear reactor, or maybe how to build a fancy electric fence......

Hey fisher26, Thanks for sparing my feelings! Edit: As an interesting aside, air on a nuclear sub is made by running massive amounts of electricity through sea water to disassociate the hydrogen (which was bubbled off) and oxygen (which we needed to breath). We affectionately called it the bomb. We did have a nuclear reactor to help with the whole electricity thing. I also agree with the Fox news thing. I don't believe that Fox will be the source of breaking energy news. (though there local coverage is not the same everywhere as national) Sorta like Bush getting a Nobel Peace Prize. Possible I guess, but highly unlikely. But can someone explain to me the heat thing? I don't know anything about HHO (a hydrogen/hydroxyl bond instead of 2 hydrogens bonded to oxygen? Diatomic hydrogen bonded to oxygen? Don't remember my chemistry that much, but does that make any sense?). But why would it be cool to the touch, but still cut metal? I understand the net energy loss (or we would have used the Oxygen generator as a power source instead of the Nuclear Reactor, hell, unlimited fuel), but I don't get the cutting part. Any chemists out there? College students pretending to be chemists. (A little research project for you BBB)

Interesting. But I would say it's about the 100th End of the American Dream scenario I've seen in my short life. This one could be right, but recent doom and gloom scenarios that did not come to pass would lead me to believe otherwise. By the way, did anyone other than me notice the Canadian Tire truck, or the gas meter in cubic meters? Me thinks parts were shot in Canada? Indistiguishable from the US, don't you think? Maybe this is the answer: But as a friend of mine said, it just means we'll run out of water in 200 yrs or so.....

Too true.

That's funny!

I liked the Urinal Cake Theory. Here is a related human equivalent. There was a study about performed where people were asked to count cards as they were shown face up. There were 53 cards in the deck, one of them was a queen of diamonds, but black instead of red(it may have been another card, but whatever the case, the suit did not match the color). I don't remember the numbers, but the vast majority of the people would ignore the card and not count it. So when they finished the deck, they had counted 52. In other words, since their mind did not expect a black queen of diamonds, the mind ignored it. Cool, huh? Once the recipients were shown the card after, they would count it on the next go around. Must be the same thing with fish. They don't expect a hook to be hanging from a bug, so they ignore it. They probably don't really even "see" it. There was a book I read one time that talked a bit about the same thing. If a technology is too advanced for the mind to grasp, the mind ignores it because it can't make sense of it. So if a human mind can be tricked, what chance does a poor fish have.

That would be great!

Happy Birthday Dave!