Global Warming....laugh...laugh...laugh

[reevesr1]

Sundancefisher,

Of course they did, just like he disputed their facts. My point with the above was:

He is blaming politicians and the media for exaggerating the facts (which of course is probably true), while he is downplaying it, while being a politician and media member himself (and a bit of a fraud as well). I don't put any more credence in his argument than I would Al Gore's. Actually, maybe less.

[highplainsdrifter]

The UN Climate Change Numbers Hoax

 

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/968

[Guest Sundancefisher]

The UN Climate Change Numbers Hoax

 

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/968

 

Wow Highplainsdrifter.

 

AAAAAA+ post...

 

In one post you have single handed brought together the biggest proof of the CO2 induced global warming crock. People have always laughed when I said scientists have a vested interest in following the money. To see the proof that the majority of scientists DO NOT necessary believe in the science and that there is no true consensus is utterly mind boggling.

 

Rickr...assuming you still believe in global warming...what do you feel would be worse.

 

1. Global warming up 2 degrees Celsius

2. Global cooling down 2 degrees Celsius.

 

What would your gut say would be the biggest impact on the lives of Earth's population?

[ladystrange]

is this still going on?

[Weedy1]

is this still going on?

 

Is what still going on? Global warming?

[highplainsdrifter]

Manufacturing one crisis after another

 

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/column...k=38640&p=1

[mvdaog]

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=1138

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=1008

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=1164

 

Strangely, the whole article is an argument of this type:

"Not very many scientists are specialized in every aspect of climate and geopgraphy. Therefore, not very many scientists commented on every aspect of the report. Also, the IPCC refused to take every single comment recieved and spend time explaining to the commentee why they believed the commentee was wrong. Also, they contacted two scientists and an economist who do not believe in anthropogenic climate change, and who by chance or not are all associated with groups funded by Exxon (irrelevant, but see links above for proof). Conclusion from this procession of logic: Climate change as being anthropogenically caused is a hoax and "should be ignored entirely".

Im really sorry for jumping in, I hate wasting my time because reason and sensibility dont always penetrate dogma, but if this is considered a great article and some sort of proof or evidence, a study of mathematical logic needs to be conducted. HOW COULD THIS CONCLUSION POSSIBLY FOLLOW FROM THIS PROGRESSION OF THOUGHT? It is absolutely impossible!

You are right, however, that scientists do follow the money. For example, those three above. Please in the name of god, be logical and think logically. If you thought the above article was anything but an ad hominem argument against the IPCC, which is of course a logical fallacy, you are mistaken.

And wow, lets bash the UN for overestimating the population of AIDS in the world? How low can we get to try and bash those in support of climate change? Even if they overestimated, who can prove it was on purpose for some evil cause? And even so, in the name of good-will and human nature, theres still 33 million estimated cases of AIDS in the world.... 33 MILLION frickin ppl with AIDS. There is no where near enough resources or help for these 33 million people many of them in third world countries or worse...they need all the help they can get jesus christ. AIDS is not some fabricated thing by UN to get some money or etc etc i cant even believe that someone wrote that............. whats wrong with ppl? AIDS is a huge problem. and its not decreasing in number the estimate is just bein decreased

[highplainsdrifter]

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm

 

Scroll down, Read the Graphs.

 

Click on the Alphabetical List of signers. An impressive list of

Scientist's, PHD's and MD's 19,000 of them.

 

Give it some thought.

 

Your results may vary.

[monger]

Dear Mr. Secretary-General,

 

Re: UN climate conference taking the World in entirely the wrong direction

 

It is not possible to stop climate change, a natural phenomenon that has affected humanity through the ages. Geological, archaeological, oral and written histories all attest to the dramatic challenges posed to past societies from unanticipated changes in temperature, precipitation, winds and other climatic variables. We therefore need to equip nations to become resilient to the full range of these natural phenomena by promoting economic growth and wealth generation.

 

The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has issued increasingly alarming conclusions about the climatic influences of human-produced carbon dioxide (CO2), a non-polluting gas that is essential to plant photosynthesis. While we understand the evidence that has led them to view CO2 emissions as harmful, the IPCC's conclusions are quite inadequate as justification for implementing policies that will markedly diminish future prosperity. In particular, it is not established that it is possible to significantly alter global climate through cuts in human greenhouse gas emissions. On top of which, because attempts to cut emissions will slow development, the current UN approach of CO2 reduction is likely to increase human suffering from future climate change rather than to decrease it.

 

The IPCC Summaries for Policy Makers are the most widely read IPCC reports amongst politicians and non-scientists and are the basis for most climate change policy formulation. Yet these Summaries are prepared by a relatively small core writing team with the final drafts approved line-by-line by ¬government ¬representatives. The great ¬majority of IPCC contributors and ¬reviewers, and the tens of thousands of other scientists who are qualified to comment on these matters, are not involved in the preparation of these documents. The summaries therefore cannot properly be represented as a consensus view among experts.

 

Contrary to the impression left by the IPCC Summary reports:

• Recent observations of phenomena such as glacial retreats, sea-level rise and the migration of temperature-sensitive species are not evidence for abnormal climate change, for none of these changes has been shown to lie outside the bounds of known natural variability.

• The average rate of warming of 0.1 to 0. 2 degrees Celsius per decade recorded by satellites during the late 20th century falls within known natural rates of warming and cooling over the last 10,000 years.

• Leading scientists, including some senior IPCC representatives, acknowledge that today's computer models cannot predict climate. Consistent with this, and despite computer projections of temperature rises, there has been no net global warming since 1998. That the current temperature plateau follows a late 20th-century period of warming is consistent with the continuation today of natural multi-decadal or millennial climate cycling.

 

In stark contrast to the often repeated assertion that the science of climate change is "settled," significant new peer-reviewed research has cast even more doubt on the hypothesis of dangerous human-caused global warming. But because IPCC working groups were generally instructed (see http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/docs/wg...2006-08-14.pdf ) to consider work published only through May, 2005, these important findings are not included in their reports; i.e., the IPCC assessment reports are already materially outdated.

 

The UN climate conference in Bali has been planned to take the world along a path of severe CO2 restrictions, ignoring the lessons apparent from the failure of the Kyoto Protocol, the chaotic nature of the European CO2 trading market, and the ineffectiveness of other costly initiatives to curb greenhouse gas emissions. Balanced cost/benefit analyses provide no support for the introduction of global measures to cap and reduce energy consumption for the purpose of restricting CO2 emissions. Furthermore, it is irrational to apply the "precautionary principle" because many scientists recognize that both climatic coolings and warmings are realistic possibilities over the medium-term future.

 

The current UN focus on "fighting climate change," as illustrated in the Nov. 27 UN Development Programme's Human Development Report, is distracting governments from adapting to the threat of inevitable natural climate changes, whatever forms they may take. National and international planning for such changes is needed, with a focus on helping our most vulnerable citizens adapt to conditions that lie ahead. Attempts to prevent global climate change from occurring are ultimately futile, and constitute a tragic misallocation of resources that would be better spent on humanity's real and pressing problems.

 

Yours faithfully,

 

Don Aitkin, PhD, Professor, social scientist, retired vice-chancellor and president, University of Canberra, Australia

 

William J.R. Alexander, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa; Member, UN Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000

 

Bjarne Andresen, PhD, physicist, Professor, The Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, Denmark

 

Geoff L. Austin, PhD, FNZIP, FRSNZ, Professor, Dept. of Physics, University of Auckland, New Zealand

 

Timothy F. Ball, PhD, environmental consultant, former climatology professor, University of Winnipeg

 

Ernst-Georg Beck, Dipl. Biol., Biologist, Merian-Schule Freiburg, Germany

 

Sonja A. Boehmer-Christiansen, PhD, Reader, Dept. of Geography, Hull University, U.K.; Editor, Energy & Environment journal

 

Chris C. Borel, PhD, remote sensing scientist, U.S.

 

Reid A. Bryson, PhD, DSc, DEngr, UNE P. Global 500 Laureate; Senior Scientist, Center for Climatic Research; Emeritus Professor of Meteorology, of Geography, and of Environmental Studies, University of Wisconsin

 

Dan Carruthers, M.Sc., wildlife biology consultant specializing in animal ecology in Arctic and Subarctic regions, Alberta

 

R.M. Carter, PhD, Professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia

 

Ian D. Clark, PhD, Professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa

 

Richard S. Courtney, PhD, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, U.K.

 

Willem de Lange, PhD, Dept. of Earth and Ocean Sciences, School of Science and Engineering, Waikato University, New Zealand

 

David Deming, PhD (Geophysics), Associate Professor, College of Arts and Sciences, University of Oklahoma

 

Freeman J. Dyson, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J.

 

Don J. Easterbrook, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Geology, Western Washington University

 

Lance Endersbee, Emeritus Professor, former dean of Engineering and Pro-Vice Chancellor of Monasy University, Australia

 

Hans Erren, Doctorandus, geophysicist and climate specialist, Sittard, The Netherlands

 

Robert H. Essenhigh, PhD, E.G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University

 

Christopher Essex, PhD, Professor of Applied Mathematics and Associate Director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario

 

David Evans, PhD, mathematician, carbon accountant, computer and electrical engineer and head of 'Science Speak,' Australia

 

William Evans, PhD, editor, American Midland Naturalist; Dept. of Biological Sciences, University of Notre Dame

 

Stewart Franks, PhD, Professor, Hydroclimatologist, University of Newcastle, Australia

 

R. W. Gauldie, PhD, Research Professor, Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology, School of Ocean Earth Sciences and Technology, University of Hawai'i at Manoa

 

Lee C. Gerhard, PhD, Senior Scientist Emeritus, University of Kansas; former director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey

 

Gerhard Gerlich, Professor for Mathematical and Theoretical Physics, Institut für Mathematische Physik der TU Braunschweig, Germany

 

Albrecht Glatzle, PhD, sc.agr., Agro-Biologist and Gerente ejecutivo, INTTAS, Paraguay

 

Fred Goldberg, PhD, Adjunct Professor, Royal Institute of Technology, Mechanical Engineering, Stockholm, Sweden

 

Vincent Gray, PhD, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of 'Climate Change 2001, Wellington, New Zealand

 

William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University and Head of the Tropical Meteorology Project

 

Howard Hayden, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Connecticut

 

Louis Hissink MSc, M.A.I.G., editor, AIG News, and consulting geologist, Perth, Western Australia

 

Craig D. Idso, PhD, Chairman, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Arizona

 

Sherwood B. Idso, PhD, President, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, AZ, USA

 

Andrei Illarionov, PhD, Senior Fellow, Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity; founder and director of the Institute of Economic Analysis

 

Zbigniew Jaworowski, PhD, physicist, Chairman - Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland

 

Jon Jenkins, PhD, MD, computer modelling - virology, NSW, Australia

 

Wibjorn Karlen, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden

 

Olavi Kärner, Ph.D., Research Associate, Dept. of Atmospheric Physics, Institute of Astrophysics and Atmospheric Physics, Toravere, Estonia

 

Joel M. Kauffman, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemistry, University of the Sciences in Philadelphia

 

David Kear, PhD, FRSNZ, CMG, geologist, former Director-General of NZ Dept. of Scientific & Industrial Research, New Zealand

 

Madhav Khandekar, PhD, former research scientist, Environment Canada; editor, Climate Research (2003-05); editorial board member, Natural Hazards; IPCC expert reviewer 2007

 

William Kininmonth M.Sc., M.Admin., former head of Australia's National Climate Centre and a consultant to the World Meteorological organization's Commission for Climatology

 

Jan J.H. Kop, MSc Ceng FICE (Civil Engineer Fellow of the Institution of Civil Engineers), Emeritus Prof. of Public Health Engineering, Technical University Delft, The Netherlands

 

Prof. R.W.J. Kouffeld, Emeritus Professor, Energy Conversion, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands

 

Salomon Kroonenberg, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Geotechnology, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands

 

Hans H.J. Labohm, PhD, economist, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations), The Netherlands

 

The Rt. Hon. Lord Lawson of Blaby, economist; Chairman of the Central Europe Trust; former Chancellor of the Exchequer, U.K.

 

Douglas Leahey, PhD, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary

 

David R. Legates, PhD, Director, Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware

 

Marcel Leroux, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS

 

Bryan Leyland, International Climate Science Coalition, consultant and power engineer, Auckland, New Zealand

 

William Lindqvist, PhD, independent consulting geologist, Calif.

 

Richard S. Lindzen, PhD, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

 

A.J. Tom van Loon, PhD, Professor of Geology (Quaternary Geology), Adam Mickiewicz University, Poznan, Poland; former President of the European Association of Science Editors

 

Anthony R. Lupo, PhD, Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, Dept. of Soil, Environmental, and Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri-Columbia

 

Richard Mackey, PhD, Statistician, Australia

 

Horst Malberg, PhD, Professor for Meteorology and Climatology, Institut für Meteorologie, Berlin, Germany

 

John Maunder, PhD, Climatologist, former President of the Commission for Climatology of the World Meteorological Organization (89-97), New Zealand

 

Alister McFarquhar, PhD, international economy, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.

 

Ross McKitrick, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph

 

John McLean, PhD, climate data analyst, computer scientist, Australia

 

Owen McShane, PhD, economist, head of the International Climate Science Coalition; Director, Centre for Resource Management Studies, New Zealand

 

Fred Michel, PhD, Director, Institute of Environmental Sciences and Associate Professor of Earth Sciences, Carleton University

 

Frank Milne, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Economics, Queen's University

 

Asmunn Moene, PhD, former head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway

 

Alan Moran, PhD, Energy Economist, Director of the IPA's Deregulation Unit, Australia

 

Nils-Axel Morner, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics, Stockholm University, Sweden

 

Lubos Motl, PhD, Physicist, former Harvard string theorist, Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic

 

John Nicol, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Physics, James Cook University, Australia

 

David Nowell, M.Sc., Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, former chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa

 

James J. O'Brien, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Meteorology and Oceanography, Florida State University

 

Cliff Ollier, PhD, Professor Emeritus (Geology), Research Fellow, University of Western Australia

 

Garth W. Paltridge, PhD, atmospheric physicist, Emeritus Professor and former Director of the Institute of Antarctic and Southern Ocean Studies, University of Tasmania, Australia

 

R. Timothy Patterson, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University

 

Al Pekarek, PhD, Associate Professor of Geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, Minnesota

 

Ian Plimer, PhD, Professor of Geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide and Emeritus Professor of Earth Sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia

 

Brian Pratt, PhD, Professor of Geology, Sedimentology, University of Saskatchewan

 

Harry N.A. Priem, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Planetary Geology and Isotope Geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences

 

Alex Robson, PhD, Economics, Australian National University Colonel F.P.M. Rombouts, Branch Chief - Safety, Quality and Environment, Royal Netherland Air Force

 

R.G. Roper, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences, School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology

 

Arthur Rorsch, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Molecular Genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands

 

Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, B.C.

 

Tom V. Segalstad, PhD, (Geology/Geochemistry), Head of the Geological Museum and Associate Professor of Resource and Environmental Geology, University of Oslo, Norway

 

Gary D. Sharp, PhD, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, CA

 

S. Fred Singer, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia and former director Weather Satellite Service

 

L. Graham Smith, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario

 

Roy W. Spencer, PhD, climatologist, Principal Research Scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville

 

Peter Stilbs, TeknD, Professor of Physical Chemistry, Research Leader, School of Chemical Science and Engineering, KTH (Royal Institute of Technology), Stockholm, Sweden

 

Hendrik Tennekes, PhD, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute

 

Dick Thoenes, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands

 

Brian G Valentine, PhD, PE (Chem.), Technology Manager - Industrial Energy Efficiency, Adjunct Associate Professor of Engineering Science, University of Maryland at College Park; Dept of Energy, Washington, DC

 

Gerrit J. van der Lingen, PhD, geologist and paleoclimatologist, climate change consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand

 

Len Walker, PhD, Power Engineering, Australia

 

Edward J. Wegman, PhD, Department of Computational and Data Sciences, George Mason University, Virginia

 

Stephan Wilksch, PhD, Professor for Innovation and Technology Management, Production Management and Logistics, University of Technolgy and Economics Berlin, Germany

 

Boris Winterhalter, PhD, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland

 

David E. Wojick, PhD, P.Eng., energy consultant, Virginia

 

Raphael Wust, PhD, Lecturer, Marine Geology/Sedimentology, James Cook University, Australia

 

A. Zichichi, PhD, President of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva, Switzerland; Emeritus Professor of Advanced Physics, University of Bologna, Italy

[highplainsdrifter]

For The Solstice Fishout Crew

 

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/ctl/clisci100ka.html

[Guest Sundancefisher]

rickr...seeing monger and highplains posts...how can you still say only credible scientists believe CO2 induced global warming versus natural climate change?

 

It appears the cat is out of the bag with regards to very bogus work on behalf of the UN.

[Guest Sundancefisher]

Want actual data and substance over and above the CO2 global warming panderers and zealots...

 

Check out this site. See fig. Global Temperature and Atmospheric CO2 over Geologic Time

 

http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/...us_climate.html

 

Todays variations in CO2 are within background noise limits. We are within one of the coldest periods of earth history.

 

Nobody denies climate change. Climate change is the norm.

 

Humans are not the cause.

 

CO2 rise occurs AFTER temperature rise.

 

Buy this book http://www.mrvs.net/prod/BOO285/

 

Read this article... http://www.dobmagazine.nickles.com/article...007_da0001.html quoted as follows:

"OHS and Environment December 10, 2007

 

Source: DOB Magazine

Global Warming

Bjorn Lomborg: Panic And Imbalance Are the Worst Climate Threat

By Mike Byfield

 

The World Wildlife Fund warns that polar bears, now an iconic figure in the global warming debate, may stop reproducing and become functionally extinct within just 10 years. Former Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore frets that the Arctic animals, due to melting pack ice, "have been drowning in significant numbers" for the first time. A bear perched forlornly on a small ice floe made the cover of Time magazine and is currently featured in Lakehead University's national advertising. Before pressing the panic button, however, consider the polar bear population case made by Bjorn Lomborg, a Danish statistician who spoke recently in Calgary.

 

In 2001, Lomborg (shown here) made a sizeable dent in the world's environmental consciousness with the English language edition of The Skeptical Environmentalist. The author, then an associate professor at the University of Aarhus, stressed that global warming is occurring, that the change is man-triggered to a significant degree and that it will have important ecological impacts. Even so, his book infuriated green activists. It contended that adapting to climate change offers vastly more benefits to humanity than an economy-shattering reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. That controversial thesis is fleshed out much further in Cool it - The Skeptical Environmentalist's Guide To Global Warming.

 

The 252-page volume, published this fall, begins with the North's great white carnivores. Citing a 2001 study made by the Polar Bear Specialist Group of the World Conservation Union. Lomborg notes that only one or two of the world's 20 distinct population subgroups of polar bears were declining during the study period. More than half of the subgroups definitely maintained stability, while two were increasing. The population decreases occurred in regions where average temperatures had grown slightly colder, the improvements where warming had taken place.

 

Most specialists agree that the Kyoto Protocol's current provisions would have only a minimal effect on climate change, implying that much deeper reductions in carbon dioxide emissions will be required to fully stabilize temperatures. Lomborg suggests that the Kyoto agreement's implementation would preserve the life of less than one polar bear per year, with no effect whatever for several decades. "Hunters kill about 1,000 of these animals annually so it would appear more useful to reduce hunting," he told his Calgary audience at a fund-raising dinner sponsored by the Fraser Institute.

 

The Danish professor's point is more than academic. Thanks to stricter hunting regulations, the global population of polar bears has risen from approximately 5,000 during the 1960s to 25,000 today. According to Cool It, most ecologists expect higher temperatures to enrich Arctic flora and fauna. In his Calgary talk, the blue-jeaned statistician also addressed heat-related deaths, rising sea levels and hurricanes - all alarming topics that frequently crop up in news reports about global warming.

 

During the intense heat wave of August 2003, Europe suffered more than 35,000 deaths. The Earth Policy Institute, a green group, warned that future catastrophes of this magnitude will become more common if global temperatures continue to climb. But Cool It outlines a strikingly different scenario. In Europe, cold weather kills about seven times more people than heat waves, a disparity that extends from Helsinki to Athens. A quiet report on the BBC placed cold-related deaths in Britain at 47,000 per year during the exceptionally bitter winters of 1998-2000. An average year's cold toll would be 25,000, hugely more than the 2,000 who died in the United Kingdom in the scorched summer of 2003.

 

Cold receives negligible news coverage as an environmental hazard. Even so, Lomborg concludes that a warmer planet will experience a net improvement in temperature-related survival, especially if societies take readily available steps to protect their more vulnerable citizens. Heat-proofing is rendered easier because temperature peaks are not expected to rise in most regions. Instead, climate scientists predict that a warming world will typically experience balmier nights and winters.

 

In his documentary An Inconvenient Truth, Gore (shown below with Lomborg) provides an animation of a flooded Manhattan. The former senator asserts, as a realistic short-term prospect, that sea levels could rise by 20 feet (six metres) due to the rapid melting of the entire Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets. Lomborg points out that the consensus view among the appropriate specialists is far more modest - about one foot higher over the course of the twenty-first century. Sea levels have already come up by that much since 1860. Lomborg told Calgarians that mitigation through dikes and other measures is eminently affordable for low-lying countries like Vietnam, Bangladesh and Micronesia (a federation of 607 small islands in the western Pacific).

 

Especially since Katrina devastated New Orleans in 2005, hurricanes have become powerful promotional symbols for eco-activist organizations like the Natural Resources Defense Council ("stronger and more dangerous"), Friends of the Earth ("Extreme weather events are predicted to become more common"), Greenpeace ("more severe and frequent") and the like. However the United Nations World Meteorological Organization states: "Though there is evidence both for and against the existence of a detectable anthropogenic [i.e. human-caused] signal in the tropical cyclone climate record to date, no firm conclusion can be made on this point."

 

Given those uncertainties, what are the most cost-effective precautions against super-storms? Because Kyoto's implementation will only have a slight impact on temperature, Lomborg cites a calculation that it would reduce hurricane damage by less than 1%. The real difficulty, in his judgment, is the increasing shift of population into storm-prone zones. Although the Gulf Coast was slammed by two stronger hurricanes than Katrina in 1900 and 1926 (the latter passed through Miami's city core), damage costs from more recent cyclones have risen dramatically due to far greater densities of population and buildings.

 

"Governments are subsidizing property insurance costs in the Gulf region, which encourages this inappropriate settlement pattern," Lomborg said in Calgary. "Government inspectors often fail to enforce even the existing construction codes, which amplifies the risk." One insurance group cited in Cool It found that buildings whose owners had implemented a complete package of hurricane-loss prevention methods suffered only one-eighth the losses of those who had failed to do so. Infamously, even the federally financed diking system around New Orleans had been left inadequate while implementation of municipal and state evacuation procedures proved tragically inept.

 

The author, a former Greenpeace activist, now directs the Copenhagen Consensus Center. This academic institute researches the most effective ways to address humanity's most urgent challenges. The Skeptical Environmentalist argued that drastically reducing CO2 emissions meant drastically increasing energy costs, which in turn would doom the world's poorest billions to ongoing misery and premature death. Cool It advocates the energy-efficient use of petroleum and coal to foster robust economic growth and generate the big cash flows which will be crucial to resolving big problems.

 

"The cost of implementing the Kyoto Protocol would be about $180 billion per year," the passionate statistician estimated in Calgary. "For $75 billion a year, humanity could ensure that everyone who's still in need would have adequate nutrition, clean water and sewage systems, basic education and access to AIDS treatment." Mitigating global warming, he continued, would hike the bill by $30 billion per year. Another $75 billion - the remainder of the Kyoto-level annual funding - could pay for development of new energy sources to ultimately replace the world's limited supply of hydrocarbons. "If we really wish to help people, we must act in a balanced manner on the basis of reason, not hysteria," Lomborg concluded."

 

Of the above the fig showing Earth's historical temperature versus CO2 is straight proven fact that can do be discounted...except by people whose emotions are attached to proving we can change temperature. This is not Star Trek...we can not control the climate.

 

Cheers.

 

Sun

[ladystrange]

Is what still going on? Global warming?

 

 

i thought we hadn't decided if there was global warming??? ha ha

 

 

at least highplains provided something useful for me

[Guest Sundancefisher]

i thought we hadn't decided if there was global warming??? ha ha

at least highplains provided something useful for me

 

Hey ladystrange...

 

Are you a tech down south? If so how is the Police Outpost Lake trophy trout project going?

[dAm]

Ever wonder where they actually take the temperature measurements?

 

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/categ...ather_stations/

 

http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/weather_stations/

 

 

http://www.surfacestations.org/odd_sites.htm

[ladystrange]

Hey ladystrange...

 

Are you a tech down south? If so how is the Police Outpost Lake trophy trout project going?

 

 

yes

 

and, why do you ask? i rarely fish stillwaters so i dont pay a whole lot of attention. if i run into my favourite CO whilst fishing, i'll ask him. but since the question was a little out of left field, i'm not sure if that was a backhanded question with some relevance to the global warming topic or just a general enquiry

[Guest Sundancefisher]

yes

 

and, why do you ask? i rarely fish stillwaters so i dont pay a whole lot of attention. if i run into my favourite CO whilst fishing, i'll ask him. but since the question was a little out of left field, i'm not sure if that was a backhanded question with some relevance to the global warming topic or just a general enquiry

 

I wish I was witty and clever enough for a segue into that but that discussion is old...but I was just curious about the fisheries business. I have been out of the business of fisheries for 12 years now and was hoping things have changed for the better for techs and bios. I few people have said the consulting business is better...I remember working 800 hours of overtime a year without pay or lieu time. Government jobs better these days also?

 

Regardless...have a Merry Christmas and may all your field days be bright and sunny...

 

Sun

[ladystrange]

apparently i'm not having a 'smart' day. ya lost me again. but i'm not sure if i should have turned left or right at Albuquerque.

 

from what i hear from a few of my concervation officer friends, the pay still sucks, the hours are stupid long, the territory to cover is too big and the staffing numbers to low. i dont hear much about stocking or what lakes are going trophy but then the guys i know are river guys trying to keep the peace to a dull riot

 

through the summer there are too many idiot riding atv up and down the streams in stead of crossing nicely, jerk offs in closed areas who refuse to leave as they should ( i say let them burn if there's a forest fire), the number of poachers have increased (at least for fish) and a lot of misguided, grummpy, relocated bears think that the ski hill is a great place to hang out.

 

and to tie in to the topic... this past summer was one of the warmest and driest that anyone can remember for the southwest corner of the province. almost no rain from mid june to july 1, and then no rain at all from july 1 to early sept when the forestry reserve was re-opened in mid sept.

 

how's that for answering a question that i know nothing about personally. at least i tried

[highplainsdrifter]

U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007

 

 

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fus...c8-3c63dc2d02cb

[ladystrange]

ha ha, sundance, i must have been sleepy last night. no i'm not a tech. sorry. now i know why i was confused.

 

i read, are you and tech (thinking Teck) down south... like as in going down south. which is what we did today. me braindead. my bad.

 

no, i'm gainfully employed in calgary in a job that has nothing to do with fish and wildlife, government or oil/gas.

 

 

i had an AHHHH moment this afternoon and figured i should re-read. glad i did. and yes i am a complete idiot

[bulltrout]

ha ha, sundance, i must have been sleepy last night. no i'm not a tech. sorry. now i know why i was confused.

 

i read, are you and tech (thinking Teck) down south... like as in going down south. which is what we did today. me braindead. my bad.

 

no, i'm gainfully employed in calgary in a job that has nothing to do with fish and wildlife, government or oil/gas.

 

 

i had an AHHHH moment this afternoon and figured i should re-read. glad i did. and yes i am a complete idiot

 

 

not a "complete" idiot...just a bit eccentric...

[Guest Sundancefisher]

not a "complete" idiot...just a bit eccentric...

 

No problem. I thought I saw a photo that looked like some equipment I used to use back in my fisheries days.

 

Cheers.

[ladystrange]

eccentric implies that i come from money... therefore, i'm crazy.

 

the boat in my avatar belongs to a guide friend of mine. i know a bunch of the CO's down south, we trade stories and stuff. all the gear is mine otherwise