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Whew! Great job... that was a close one...

Hey all, http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/science/01/22...dex.html?hpt=T2 Quick, start shooting this information down before someone actually believes in it. Stupid liberal media still pushing this craziness upon us. When will they learn...

Sorry I am unable to select one or even only a few pictures... But these are my favorites from this year. I tried to keep it really short... No fancy camera but awesome places. That was a huge grizzly on the Copper River.

So friggin sad. Tragic.... Everytime I see these young Canadians dying, but especially around the holiday season.. just multiplies the grief. I really wish families didn't have to go through this. It's time to end these losses.

Its sad because you can easily tell that there's one person on here who's really immature and uneducated trying to somehow sound 'tough' on the internet , and the others were just trying to have their usual entertaining debates. But that sad individual sorta ruined any civility there was between the debaters, and now there's one of the silliest internet fights I've ever seen... well actually the first I've ever seen. I can understand a debate, but all the other stuff... so strange. Its the internet. Don't punch your screen. Don't let it get to you, the faceless font that's saying mean things behind a screen lol

You're a bragger. Just joking, that's pretty good. Well done. I have only done 300 once, with my eyes closed.

I second that a million times... I never thought Id have such a great movie experience as I did watching all the LOTR, but this blew it away. It was such an awesome movie to sit through, the three hours went by in a complete breeze. I wanted to see it again but WAH now Im back home for the holidays and theres no 3D!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_pacifism

that was really cool...

This sounds like a familiar argument... 'a fairy tale... that (global warming) scientists continue to build their supposedly scientific case on a foundation that rules our everything that follows after it' .... and these guys also have a pretty convincing case (just like pointing out the hockey stick graph is wrong, that the antarctic has more ice on it, etc)

Something I find pretty interesting... All the bashing that everyone is completely okay with without even thinking twice about it... towards China. I wonder how this was so easily sprouted, seems to have just magically sprung up in the news and then every discussion about why we shouldn't have to change. I wonder what people who are Chinese and are proud of their country think when every time they hear their country mentioned it's about how irresponsible they are, how destructive, greedy, egocentric. I also wonder if in China, they all say the same exact things about the US and Canada. I think a close analysis of history will show that in the past, and in some cases presently, both US and Canada have exploited much of the environment in irresponsible ways as China may be doing. I feel that if we were being honest we would see that we have done exactly what China is being accused of right now, and it just serves as a useful excuse for those who don't believe they should change their ways. Who cares what everyone thinks China might do or not. It's all based on not much thought or evidence, and it doesnt at all mean that we as a nation can't step out and lead a change. Its kind of funny - it's like a thief whos telling someone they dont need to change their ways because theres this other guy whos starting to steal stuff too and whos not going to stop, so why should he stop stealing?

A summer job (a good one for students) in terms of payment and easiness was my friends' old job sprayin pesticides for the city. They would drive around and spray all those little patches of grass in the road dividers, grass beside the roads, and all the parks. Basically any public grass was supposed to be sprayed, no matter how little or useless. Totally ridiculous, and you know it all washed out into the river after the rains...... they all quit and later testified against the spraying in some city meetings of some sort... Cant imagine that was useful at all.

This thread has more valuable and succinct information and tips than I think any other thread in history! I need to eat a steak now!!! Let's start an argument of some sort and get this thread off topic, it's too useful right now.

interesting....

I don't know why they are scared, I wasn't addressing that. I was just pointing out that the ad wasn't a representation of what their projections are, it was a child's dream that had the unrealistic future in it.... you should read...

To be fair, though, all that doom and gloom footage of ground splitting and tornadoes was a little girl's dream after seeing (on the news) stories about global warming... I don't think that the people who made it were suggesting that that is the future reality, only suggesting that there are people scared about the future who want the leaders at this summit to do something about this issue (especailly kids by the look of the video). BTW, its not a scientific conference, it's a political summit to try and come to some agreement on future plans between various governments...

just a question - did the songs disappear from your ipod or from your itunes library on your comp?

Thats really weird I got one for windows and that definitely didn't happen... This might work from the interweb: Hold down the shift key while opening iTunes. Continue holding it down until a screen pops up asking you to choose a library or create a new one. Select to choose a library. A browser window pops up. Navigate to your H: drive and look for an iTunes file with a .itl extension. This is usually located in "My Documents - My Music - iTunes" folder, but could have been located on your H: drive or elsewhere on your computer. (On my computer this was located in "My Documents - My music - Itunes - Previous Itunes libraries" There were two backed up libraries present in there, hopefully some for you) If that doesn't work, then go to "My Computer", click on search and run a search for ".itl" (without the quotes). If more than one .itl file is found, then do the shift-button thing while opening iTunes and try each one. One of them is likely your library. If not, sounds like something may have went horribly wrong. But if you haven't been moving or deleting folders, iTunes may have just randomly lost track of the library .itl file. This happened to me yesterday. I fired up iTunes and it asked me to choose a library even though my external was plugged in and my .itl file intact. I just pointed iTunes in the right direction and things were back to normal.

Oh okay. Well my assumption on no cost is based on my own theories of what cost means, nothing to do with the UN. There is a cost to each individual of taxation, what that is spent on is another debate. Its not necessarily an added cost or expenditure to each individual, it's just a shift of spending from one area to another. I'll tell you my opinion if you tell me yours

Strange how, again, I have to point out something twice until you read it correctly. Please read my posts more carefully so I don't have to repeat each time... You didn't 'see' my answer the first time, but when I posted it again, in the same words, you saw it. But to explain my answer, I would recommend you think about what cost might mean to other people. I understand that by paying taxes, I should care about what the government goes and spends that money on. You don't even want to know what I believe money should/should not go to. To all the sudden be up in arms about what they spend it on now, on this one topic, in this one realm, just doesn't quite reverberate with me. I have disagreed with a lot of government spending for a long time, this isn't something so new and drastic that I'm scared of an economic collapse all the sudden. When I think of you asking the question 'think about what this is going to cost you and your children', I envision a Glenn Beck expression, with the fake tears and all, and imagine that you were referring to something apocalyptic happening that I should be worried about. To that question, I disagree that anything like that will occur. Like I said, long before a real depression, long before my children or myself feel any real, substantial 'cost', we as a nation would abandon any and all sorts of environmental spending. That is how society works. Environment goes way before the economy. If people are actually hurting for food, shelter, warmth, there's not a chance they'd be willing to spend anymore money on something 'unproven' and 'predicted'. I was paying my 'fair share' to the government no matter what they decide to spend it on anyways, and a lot of it is on things I don't agree with. I've always felt there was a bunch of waste, and in some people's eyes, this might not be any different. Rarely is the spending based on great scientific evidence or sureties, if at all. I don't believe that my life or my children's life will feel the impact of this new spending directly and specifically, there are too many other variables that go into whether or not our economy is going to collapse or not..... PS Please point out where I made any assumptions. Especially any assumptions based on the UN assumptions. 'You really need to get you head into this and understand rather than making assumptions after the UN's assumptions' And this is going to be the worst case of bureaucracy? Bureaucracy ' is the collective organizational structure, procedures, protocols, and set of regulations in place to manage activity, usually in large organizations and government.' I'd love to see a well thought out argument supporting that theory... actually no I wouldn't, don't even try because like I've said already a million times, I don't want to start arguing on the internet. But you keep misinterpreting or misreading my posts... PPS I still haven't once (like you) said where I stand on this issue... you keep pretending that I have though. You simply asked me what the cost would be to me and my family and I answered. I also asked you what your goal was by posting articles on the same topics over and over, but you've finally posted a new subject, about economic costs, which really is just another of the very few arguments anyone ever has against all this global warming stuff...

What are you talking about? Which question? "when calculating the cost to you and your kids... what do these red passages mean to you? I still want to hear your number..." Answer: "To be honest with you, the cost to my kids will be nothing at all, at least related to the economic changes proposed to fight global warming." In other words, zero. Or was there another question you had? PS woops I didn't really read that carefully, you also asked how much it would cost myself. Also to that, zero.

I have an Itouch and it's great. I use mine for medical stuff and songs, and 8gb is plenty ( I can only fill half it so far). But yea, if lots of movies go on it 16 would prolly be better. I dont play a lot of games on it, but I think a 13 year old would find some of the games available fun too. Check email, go on internet, all that. Only thing is no camera on it and no phone and no 3g network. Also, I kept searching on kijiji and craigslist for mine. I know its a bit sketchy but if they can offer new in box, never opened, I cant really see how it could be a scam. Theres a lot of really cheap ones (of the 8gb) because everyone who bought a mac laptop for a while got a free itouch with it, and if they already had an ipod they go and sell that one off for cheap online. Also, theres some people who work at the stores that carry these things, and they sometimes buy em cheap from their store, sell em for a bit more online to make money, but still cheaper than in store. So if you think you can trust an internet sell, thats where you can get the cheapest.

To be honest with you, the cost to my kids will be nothing at all, at least related to the economic changes proposed to fight global warming. Long before my kids suffer any real difficulty (food, warmth, shelter) Canada will stop putting any money into anything environmental... If I believe anything at all, it is that. The first thing to go in light of the economy is the environment. Everywhere all the time. On the other hand, I suspect that it wont be many generations down the road that every kid won't have a Xbox and three cell phones and every house three TVs and two big cars and a house full of things to be thrown out in a couple years. But that's a completely different topic, because that will never happen because of environmental budgeting. I have answers to your questions and comments in blue, but again I really don't want to start arguing points from the internet, because of course it's a never-ending journey...

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Sun- If I can say it politely, you didn't quite answer what my questions were. I put your main points down, which you agreed with and expanded upon. Then you rewrote your points again after already expanding on them in my post. As I said already, I understand what your points are and I have no issue with them per se. Although it's really tempting to start an internet argument with all you've been saying, it's not worth it and it would take too much time for what it would actually accomplish in the end. But that's not what I'm doing, I really just wanted to know what your objective was by posting numerous news articles on the same topic, in other words, why the one article wasn't sufficient. PS I find it interesting that the things that you find 'faulty' 'condemning' (insert your own adjective here) I actually see as strengths. An honest person conducting research realizes their limitations to their conclusions. Thus, when being an honest person discussing their theories and research, they include words such as 'suggest' 'suspicion' 'theory' 'model' etc. when they are needed to be honest. Just like in the IPCC report itself, which in every statement and conclusion and prediction they include uncertainty terms and confidence limits. This is all, to me, seen as a strength, and actually makes me believe the person in the discussion more, than such things as: "Everything on which they [the environmentalists] based their story, in terms of the facts, has been refuted scientifically" OR "satellite data, confirmed by NOAA balloon measurements, confirms that no meaningful warming has occurred over the last century." OR "Conclusion: Since water vapor is by far the largest greenhouse gas on the Earth, and since the Earth is mostly water covered, it is easy to see why the response of water to perturbations in the level and distribution of Solar insolation would be most important in the shift from glacial ages to interglacial periods. Reasonable arguments can be made for a strong positive feedback of water vapor to explain the rapid temperature increase during the transition. It is clear that such feedbacks are self-limiting, since the increase stops. However, the possible claim that the much smaller CO2 contribution, which even lags the sharp initial rise by many years, can then cause an even stronger positive feedback defies logic." (no mention at all of any uncertainties, suspicions; it's just all presented as fact, because it makes sense to the author OR "CO2 does not appear to be a significant driver at the levels or variations in levels present, and certainly can't have the amplifying effect claimed." OR "Global warming -- at least the modern nightmare vision -- is a myth. I am sure of it and so are a growing number of scientists. But what is really worrying is that the world's politicians and policy makers are not." "The notion that you put more CO2 up there and you get a warmer world is not debatable at all" "Global warming is real." See what I mean... I'm more likely to believe people who state explicitly that their conclusions have an honest degree of uncertainty. Why did you pull out all those words as a sign of something negative? I see it as a positive...