I've been going for them since I was about 10, and I've seen some pretty horrific handling practices. Fish pulled into the shallows, line dragged onto the shore ( no matter what the shore was ) scale stuck between the lower jawbones, weighed, and sometimes tossed back before being revived at all. Alot of fish in that size class or larger whacked, or just tied beside a boat or whatever, dying a slow death. What anyone would want to keep one that size for I'll never understand, they don't taste good, and what are you going to do with 20 lbs of pike meat? I think Clive's intentions are good, but like almost any one of us, the temper gets ahold of the typing fingers. I'm probably the worst snapcase I know, so I can relate. Nice fish fellas, it's good to hear you're making yourself a cradle... The pic is one I found once, went over 40". Sad to see such a beauty dead on shore, quite probably from being handled as I mentioned.