Ricinus Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 That time of the year again, best to wear something orange if venturing out. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipes Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 The internet has seemed to exponentially promote fear mongering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricinus Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 Really, care to explain? Mike The internet has seemed to exponentially promote fear mongering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipes Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Not really, but I will. Perhaps I misunderstood your comments, but my impression is that since it's hunting season wearing orange will help prevent you from getting shot by a hunter. This suggests that this is a common occurrence? When was the last time a flyfisherman or hiker in Alberta was shot by a hunter? I know, I know, if it prevents it from happening once its a good thing, but you have a better probability of falling while walking to the stream, so maybe you should wear a helmet? So is it really best to wear orange? If someone reads this thread could they possibly think, 'Geez it's not that safe to be anywhere near woods in Alberta from Sept-Jan'. Could this not be construed as a bit much? Unfortunately, there are some very poor representatives in the hunting community and I will be the first to admit it. But I will stand up and defend hunters from a society that tirelessly tries to characterize them as unethical, blood thirsty creatures that drive down the road drinking beer and shooting everything that moves. Oh and it is well documented that wearing orange has no correlation to lowering the rate of hunting related shootings. So back to my original comment. Is yes, I think you are inciting an unecessary worry about safety in the woods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I'm more worried about guys who walk around armed because they're scared shitless about bears and cougars, they're the ones who are prone to shoot at noises. Ran into one the other day who was carryin' a bow and a rifle. When I asked him about the rifle while bow huntin' he said he always carried it while bow huntin' because it wasn't safe in the woods without it. Jumpy SOB.. he coulda climbed a tree in one bound when I warned him I was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironfly Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Oh and it is well documented that wearing orange has no correlation to lowering the rate of hunting related shootings. Check your facts. You're 3 times more likely to be shot if you're not wearing orange. Put another way, of all shootings, about 1 in 4 victims are hi-vis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricinus Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 Pipes, I don't see how you can construe wearing orange is antihunting or a knock against hunters. If I had said it's wise to wear a life jacket in a boat, would you say I was antiboating and fearmongering about water? So in short, I can't follow your reasoning. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottN Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Check your facts. You're 3 times more likely to be shot if you're not wearing orange. Put another way, of all shootings, about 1 in 4 victims are hi-vis. I'd like your reference for your "facts". If that was true, why does Alberta not require hunters to wear blaze orange any longer? At one time hunters had to wear blaze orange, now we no longer do. Why would they change the law if it actually could be proven to save lives? Most hunting accidents are the result of an accidental discharge, not being mistaken for wildlife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish4trout Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I'd like your reference for your "facts". If that was true, why does Alberta not require hunters to wear blaze orange any longer? At one time hunters had to wear blaze orange, now we no longer do. Why would they change the law if it actually could be proven to save lives? Most hunting accidents are the result of an accidental discharge, not being mistaken for wildlife. x2..show us the facts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reevesr1 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Check your facts. You're 3 times more likely to be shot if you're not wearing orange. Put another way, of all shootings, about 1 in 4 victims are hi-vis. I'm staying out of the argument, but I will say that if 1 in 4 victims of shooting are wearing hi-vis, that does not mean that you are 3 times more likely to be shot if you are not wearing hi-vis. You would need to know percentage of people wearing hi-vis to know that. If the ratio was 50/50, then your statement would be correct. However, I don't think there is any way 50% of people wear hi-vis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipes Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Ricinus (Mike), I first suggest to re-read my second post. My reasoning is pretty straightforward. But here's some elaboration: a) MY impression is your intended message is one should wear orange to prevent getting shot during hunting season. Is this not your thought? If so, my opinion is that this is fear mongering and I go on to explain that someone reading this could think that it's world war 3 out there. c) I didn't say anything about this was anti-hunting. Read my post again. I said this was putting unfound fear in people - IE Fear mongering d) I DID say that I will stand up for hunters against misguided information. As a hunter, this is important because there are too many groups that are fighting to take away hunting. Same as everyone here who fights to protect their fishing resource (as I do as well). Your life jacket analogy is completely off on what I am trying to convey. but hey if you want to wear orange go ahead doesn't bother me. Maybe a blaze orange life jacket since you will be near the water (that's a joke to lighten the tone here, not trying to be evil). Just thought I would share my knowledge of this subject as an experienced hunter in Alberta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipes Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 On my last point I must have accidentally hit that smiley face with the sunglasses. It was not intended. fat fingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricinus Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 Pipes, there was a survey done on AO 2009 about who wears orange and who doesn't - split vote 50/50. Even hunters are split on the matter. Anyhow, my original comment was a suggestion and NOT intended as fearmongering. And my lifejacket is red, so there!! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricinus Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 Here is some info regarding enhanced safety when wearing orange- lots more if you care to look. http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/9186.html Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean84 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I don't have any orange but would this work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipes Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 i think I will take my chances. Orange makes my butt look fat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipes Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I don't have any orange but would this work? That may increase your chances of getting shot in some areas of Alberta and BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricinus Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 I think my eyes are burning!! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironfly Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 I'd like your reference for your "facts". If that was true, why does Alberta not require hunters to wear blaze orange any longer? At one time hunters had to wear blaze orange, now we no longer do. Why would they change the law if it actually could be proven to save lives? Most hunting accidents are the result of an accidental discharge, not being mistaken for wildlife. I'm not writing a college thesis here. It's called google. Try it some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironfly Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Here is some info regarding enhanced safety when wearing orange- lots more if you care to look. http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/9186.html Mike My mistake, blaze orange makes you 7 times safer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironfly Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 I'd like your reference for your "facts". If that was true, why does Alberta not require hunters to wear blaze orange any longer? At one time hunters had to wear blaze orange, now we no longer do. Why would they change the law if it actually could be proven to save lives? Most hunting accidents are the result of an accidental discharge, not being mistaken for wildlife. My guess is the same thinking that led Alberta to fight tooth and nail against instituting seatbelt laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottN Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 My guess is the same thinking that led Alberta to fight tooth and nail against instituting seatbelt laws. How many hunting accidents do you think there are every year in Alberta? When was the last time someone was shot after being mistaken for wildlife? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanJuanWorm Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 How many hunting accidents do you think there are every year in Alberta? When was the last time someone was shot after being mistaken for wildlife? I'm pretty sure Taco gets mistaken for a grizzly bear every now and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Current Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 How many hunting accidents do you think there are every year in Alberta? When was the last time someone was shot after being mistaken for wildlife? A couple years ago a guy was shot in the Waiparous area. Not a great reference but mention of the incident appears here: http://www.airdrieecho.com/ArticleDisplay....mp;archive=true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottN Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 A couple years ago a guy was shot in the Waiparous area. Not a great reference but mention of the incident appears here: http://www.airdrieecho.com/ArticleDisplay....mp;archive=true I can't get the link to work. Is that the guy who was bowhunting and carrying the deer decoy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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