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I think this is the key point in the whole debate........The "warmers" almost had it by trying to shut down the debate, saying "the science is clear and now is the time for action and the debate is closed".........And if you were a "denier", well, there were comparisons to the holocaust and the flat earth society.........Now we find that the science wasn't science at all (objective, repeatable, etc.) but simply an attempt to prove, regardless of how manipulated was the data, opinions based on vested interests.......Wonder what else, beyond the climate debate might be a bit askew??

Alright Rick, I'm back.........Good stories, all, and I certainly understand your love for the animals and your strong feelings against killing them.........My point is simply that there is more to it than that......Someone has posted the fact that dogs and horses are eaten in many places while we see them as pets and wouldn't dream of it.....It's about imposing our views on everyone else because we think we're right and they're wrong..........That's a problem that causes wars........Cheers....... Al....

They haven't killed a cuddly white one with a club for some time.........I think all her blood is in her tits and not her brain...........Ooops.......

Smitty....... Your comment works for Apartheid and WW2 for sure, at least for you and I, but when it comes to tar sands, seals, whales, dolphins, grizzly bears, etc., etc., etc., what makes one man's opinion "right" and worthy of unlawful protest while another's is wrong??.....Because I believe that spending $$$Trillions to reduce carbon emissions to combat climate change is wrong (and I do beleive that) does that give me the right to illegally protest given that I may not be right at all??....I'm done now with this thread and apologies for the semi-hijack.......

You're right Rick you can, and are entitled to your opinion............I guess that's how Pamela Anderson feels about the seal hunt too.....And you have the right to protest if you feel strongly about it..........Where I draw the line is with activists breaking the law to protest and what seems to be leniency by law enforcement/governments with regard to punsihing the law breakers........Whether it's seal hunt protests, oil sands protests or dolphin slaughter protests do what you want within the law because you are entitled to express your opinion........But it is sheer arrogance to say, as one oil sands protester hanging from the Shell upgrader (illegally) said when asked why he thought it was o.k. to break the law, "We need to do whatever is necessary until "they" listen to us"........Arrogant......

Good to hear.......I think the sensationalism that our seal hunt gets in protest is not unlike the dolphin issue........Because alot of folks see them as cute and cuddly as in the case of baby seals or friendly pets (Flipper) in the case of dolphins, our emotions over-ride common sense.........Not saying that killing dolphins is good/bad/right, just stating a fact about the human psyche.......We jump on the bandwagon too quickly for alot of things (anthropogenic global warming) based largely on emotion and not fact..............

While we're on this, I'll bet everyone is against the Canadian seal hunt as well??...........Let's be careful here, folks.......

Very bad luck..........Thought they played pretty well last night against a top club.....More jump than they've had for a while........Result still sucked but.......

The last (9th) comment by Scientist on the Steve Janke article pretty much sums up the stupidity of this debate..........."I'm a scientist and therefore I know what's right and what's best and you're just a hack who knows nothing"..........If the point of Janke's column on idealists wasn't clear to begin with, Mr. Scientist sure drove the point home in spades.......

If your story is accurate, ( and I say that, not because I don't believe you but only because there are always two sides) I would like to apologise on behalf of all fly fishermen and women for the ignorance and conduct of the "elitist" in your story........I can assure you he doesn't represent the views of most..........Like any fraternity (fly fisher's, spin fisher's, bait fisher's etc.) there are no restrictions on membership and even idiots can join........The good news is your son is only 3 and he'll forget this incident and you'll enjoy many years of fun on the water with him...........

Then don't stop there..........No skiing, kayaking, hiking, canoeing, swimming, picincking, camping or windsurfing....In fact maybe people shouldn't be allowed to stop in the parks........In fact maybe they should not even be allowed to go into the parks...........Now there's a solution that will restore purity........Damn people, anyway, always wanting to "use" stuff..........

Ouch!!......Didn't take that long to draw lightning..........Arrogant damn flyfishers!!........

Parks runs the park (provincial) but it is possible that Don Shaw owns the campsite......Jurisdiction for all but the campsite, however, is Parks.......

That's a sign that could do some good......but yer right Don, it likely won't pass the "Parks" test........

I'll enroll in the remedial reading course right away.......

I think I read it right.........You see the Quality Lakes as "private" lakes which will get little enforcement time from F&W.......I'm saying these lakes should get priority over put and take..........

Which is where I have an issue with Taco's comment........Why patrol put and take lakes??.......But, sure as hell we should patrol the few Quality Fisheries we have, and streams, to ensure that the high angler value resources are being respected.......... By the way, the issue with signs at Police is that Parks apparently don't like signs.......Clive and I posted 8 signs at the lake in advance of the new regs two years ago and Parks removed all but two......As well, we need to get that *&^%$^%$ fish cleaning eyesore out of the parking lot as it is in basic contradition with the new regs.........Parks agreed with that comment but are yet to do something about it.........

Huh??

I'm just wondering how many of you have fished at Police Outpost in the last couple of years since the regulations were changed to delayed harvest..........Am wondering about your thoughts on whether the signage informing anglers of the new regulations is adequate......

Good idea.........Now get it going!........Write to your MLA.......Write to Ted Morton..........Write to the Premier...........Go to a AFGA meeting and make a motion............Attend a TU meeting and agree to take it on as a project.........As DA said, it takes doing, not talking...........At the end of the day, all the bitching and carping and the spewing forth of great ideas on this Board accomplishes nothing unless someone steps up and gets it done...........

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We need to live with the reality of volunteers/funding. While it would be nice to have someone on every vulnerable piece of water it isn't practical through SW. We barely had enough for one officer in 2009. And no, these student officers patrol the rivers--they don't just "sit in the parking lot and wait for someone to show up"........One of the main reasons we need Stream Watch is that they are dedicated to fisheries and don't get called out on hunting issues, bear alerts etc. etc. as do the regular F&W guys...........We all know we need more enforcement but unless you have a really big cheque book it ain't quite that easy..........As DA says, there won't be $1 more for enforcement through F&W so it's up to us...........And yes, Brian, I think the hiring crew might look at a Law Enforcement student with the right maturity, interest and credentials..........I would be glad to make Kevin aware of your interest so that you could interview this spring if you're interested....... Al.....

I've been busy------haven't checked the FFC Board in a while..........You're right, Terry, we WILL suffer donor fatigue and in fact we did this year..........The FFC auction this year raised just short of $6K compared to $10K last year.......Individual cash donations were almost non existent this year...........We DO publish a formal Stream Watch report each year detailing our activities including angler checks, tickets, warnings, etc........Check the website and anyone can get a copy if they wish.........The report for 2009 will be out sometime in January....... There have been a lot of good points made but the reality is that it is what it is and whining and bitching about it doesn't accomplish much.........Therefore, as concerned anglers, if we feel we need to have some dedicated "officers" on some of our more vulnerable fisheries, Stream Watch is one way to accomplish that......I'm sure there may be other ways as well and would welcome any and all suggestions........Sure, we should all fight for more enforecement and more protection of our resource but as Neil Waugh said, it's really up to us and the organizations we support to get it done, recognising the reality of the way it is.......... We are continuing to pursue ALL the various options to inject more government funding into the Stream Watch program to supplement corporate and angler donations.......After meeting with Ted Morton in August 2008 we were "encouraged" to apply for funding through the Alberta Lotties program, which we did.......Unfortunately we have yet to hear the result of our application but are hopeful that it will be positive and will supplement 2010 S.W. acitivities..........There is a plethora of government programs which, if you have the time to get throught the sticky tape, could help....... In southern Alberta we need 2 Stream Watch officers to protect the Oldman/Livingstone and Castle/Carbondale drainages........When we start our fundraising push for 2010 I hope everyone who believes in Stream Watch will be there to help....... Cheers...... Al....

Happy B'Day Greg........We still haven't made the walk 'n wade...........Someday!!

Thanks.......60 is good.......Caught a nice tarpon a few days ago to celebrate......Plan to catch another one when I'm 70 as well..........And when I'm 80 as well...... Al......