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    I deal with Public Lands with my work, and it's a fairly complicated matter. The major issue is that 'technically' only a Legal surveyor can specify where that mark is. Typically, it's pretty damn close to the 1:2 year flood line, or where the vegetation trim line is.

    From the surveyors act:

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    Natural boundary

    17(1)  A surveyor who needs to determine the position of a natural boundary when performing a survey under this Act may do so by any survey method that has the effect of accurately determining its location at the time of survey, relative to the surveyed boundaries of the affected parcel.

    (2)  When surveying a natural boundary that is a body of water, the surveyor shall determine the position of the line where the bed and shore of the body of water cease and the line is to be referred to as the bank of the body of water.

    (3)  For the purposes of this section, the bed and shore of a body of water shall be the land covered so long by water as to wrest it from vegetation or as to mark a distinct character on the vegetation where it extends into the water or on the soil itself.

    For the actual case of who owns the land, see the Water Boundaries information from AEP, and the information on accessing it.

    https://www.alberta.ca/water-boundaries.aspx

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    Crown as owner

    2.1   The right, title and interest of the Crown as owner of public land is confirmed.

    Title to beds and shores, etc.

    3(1)  Subject to subsection (2) but notwithstanding any other  law, the title to the beds and shores of

                                 (a)    all permanent and naturally occurring bodies of water, and

                                 (b)    all naturally occurring rivers, streams, watercourses and lakes,

    is vested in the Crown in right of Alberta and a grant or certificate of title made or issued before, on or after May 31, 1984 does not convey title to those beds or shores.

    (2)  Subsection (1) does not operate

                                 (a)    to affect a grant referred to in subsection (1) that specifically conveys by express description a bed or shore referred to in subsection (1) or a certificate of title founded on that grant,

                                 (b)    to affect the rights of a grantee from the Crown or of a person claiming under the grantee, when those rights have been determined by a court before June 18, 1931, or

                                 (c)    to affect the title to land belonging to the Crown in right of Canada.

    (3)  For the purposes of subsection (1), a river, stream or watercourse does not cease to be naturally occurring by reason only that its water is diverted by human act.

    RSA 1980 cP‑30 s3;1984 c34 s3

    To put it simply, unless they specifically have it on their title, a watercourse is crown claimed, and you have every right to be there. Worth fighting over, i'm doubtful, especially in that area, but worth asking for a name and phone number so you can talk to a land officer on it.  I've had good and bad interactions with landowners on the Fallentimber, including where they have strung fences across the river (definitely illegal under both the Public Lands Act and Canada Navigable Waters Act).

    I would suggest touching base with the Public Land Officer for the region and bringing up the interaction and location. 

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  2. 51 minutes ago, fishteck said:

     

    I believe that technically it is possible to maintain the 2M social distancing in the longer drift boats. I have just measured the distance from the middle of the rower's seat to the middle of the front seat on my 15' skiff at 1.70M.

    For teams of 2, sure. but guy on the back seat is definitely within a couple feet.

    Good point on shuttle drivers

  3. 39 minutes ago, trailhead said:

    Didn't close the parks down. You can go into the parks just can't use a motorized vehicle. Walk, hike or bike is fine.

    You can’t get past highway 66 on highway 40 unless you own property. Get a fine if you park within 1 km of a PRA, can’t park in a staging area. Not sure why they didn’t just straight up close 

  4. 7 minutes ago, rudedawg said:

    "He counted 68 vehicles parked at those spots."

    Remember, more cars at those spots doesn't always mean more people. Last time I was skiing in the backcountry (mid-March) my buddy and I arrived in separate vehicles, as did the next three skiers. I guess social distancing trumps climate change.

     

    Prob the same day were out in K country. figured that Tryst had 25 cars at it, but then figured most were meeting out there seperatly. We did that for a day in Commonwealth. Unfortunately we bared the brunt of the idiots at Elbow Falls/Prairie (even though i dont understand how you hike within 6 feet of another person)

    Considering the OHV crowd got them to back off from OHV bans, sure hope they dont touch fishing..

  5. such a joke. We can have the loud OHV crowd kill a park through consultation, yet when the UCP decide to remove parks from the system they dont need to do boo? I would be more worried about this part: " Sites removed from the parks system would have their legal park designations removed, and could be open for alternate management approaches. "

     

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  6. " anglers are encouraged to avoid targeting fish species-at-risk such as bull trout "

    Time to just stop allowing chasing bull trout. Guide outfits actively pumping the bull trout tire is getting old, considering we know they're at risk.  Hell, even tourism Alberta is promoting it. I get it, i used to be into getting them as they can be huge.. but man, there sure feels like a lot less these days. Dont think i've cast to a bull trout on purpose in 10 years.

     

     

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  7. There was no limit to 'public' in BC, provided that public is a resident. I'm fine with that if we get the same here.. You also don't see every fish in the Elk with scarred mouths, unlike our local cutthroat streams...

    Guides pushed hard in east kootenays for sure with inflated days but Skeena was heavily pushed by annoyed locals who could not fish their own rivers on weekends. That being said, locals in east kootenays are plenty happy with what they see as moderately increased guide days, and substantially decreased overall pressure from outside, from my conversations with them. The michel is an absolute ghost town on weekdays since the implementation

    Guides there also require way more reporting then what we have here (none). Every guide day is accounted for, every fish caught.. at least on the Skeena..

  8. 15 hours ago, fishteck said:

    We need to remember that Bow River guided trips have been around for 30+ years. But what has changed is the introduction of corporate trips where the Bow River trout population is used as a commodity for fundraising activities or a bonus for employees and customers.

    Time to stop the 'this is how we've done it for 30 years'. Calgary's population has increased 2.2x since 1980 and 2x since 1990, so it's not just the introduction of corporate trips. This isn't the river of 30 years ago, yet we're still regulating guide services like the last 100, as in, we're not. Time to aim for a quality fishing experience with resident-priority, not just quality fish.

    Based on the definition of 'blue ribbon' including:

    - "Angling pressure: The water must be able to withstand angling pressure. "

    - " Natural reproduction capacity: The body of water should possess a natural capacity to produce and maintain a sustainable recreational fishery. "

    I think it's fair to say that we cant even attempt to call the Bow that anymore.

     

    23 hours ago, yonderin said:

     Not sure I see any difference except that the guides are being painted as a boogieman.  I use a boat to float the same stretches and have a lower impact than having somebody else do the rowing?

    That is what is stated above, and from typical experience, the truth. Guided anglers catch more fish then un-guided anglers. So yes, they have a bigger impact on a per-capita basis.

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  9. On 12/12/2019 at 7:57 AM, DonAndersen said:

    The mind set of NOT dealing with fisheries issue goes much further back in time  that tbe UPC. 
    If anglers, commercial angling operations really gave a *hit, they would force the Govt to change.

    Don
     

    Your right, it also goes back to 40 years of PC rule. So what are you actually proposing to do, rather then ranting on the internet?

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  10. 11 hours ago, DonAndersen said:

    When in the he’ll are we gonna off our butts are really deal with what is killing our fisheries.

    Don

    Did you vote UCP..? Considering how few of the boat inspection stations were running this year, the pretty much wholesale clearance of any and all temp staff (say, the temp CO staff) whose terms were up this fall, its only going to get worse..

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