the main thing we were doing wrong was not letting our fly's move naturally, i always would add action to the fly by jerking my rod tip , almost like jigging (LOL) , another thing i didnt pay much attention to was water levels, i ALWAYS thought they would be in deep water , but that's not the case at all , i was suprised at how little water they sit in , one of the biggest things i think was paying more attention to the hatch, pick up rocks on the waters edge and see what types of bugs they were actually feeding on , all of this has really helped to give us some results, ill be going out again this afternoon , Thanks guys ....happy fishing