bigbowtrout Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 After digging I found this little slice of info. So does this mean that guides taking clients up into most of the high mountain streams need to purchase permits? And if so who is enforcing this? Fees for guide and instruction permits: 34 The fees for guiding and instructing permits are the fees set by written directive which may (a) provide for fees in respect of permits authorizing persons to act as guides or to conduct courses of paid instruction in outdoor activities in parks and recreation areas, and ( B ) for that purpose, classify such permits and provide for different fees for different classes. http://www.albertaparks.ca/media/3052716/p...rder_-_2010.pdf http://www.qp.alberta.ca/574.cfm?page=1985...n=9780779732586 http://www.albertaparks.ca/albertaparksca/...egulations.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean84 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Maybe it doesnt apply to waterways? This is the part I found interesting. Guide and instructor permits 44(1) In this section, “guide” means a person who for remuneration leads or guides persons on recreational trips. (2) No person shall (a) act as a guide, or (B for remuneration conduct a course of instruction in an outdoor activity in a provincial park or recreation area unless that person is the holder of a permit authorizing that person to do so and issued under this section. (3) The Minister may provide for the issuing of permits for different classes of guiding and instructional activity. Section 45 AR 102/85 PROVINCIAL PARKS (GENERAL) REGULATION 19 (4) The Minister may issue a permit if (a) an application is made in the form specified by the Minister and is accompanied by the appropriate fee, and B the applicant submits evidence required by the Minister as to the applicant’s training, qualifications and general suitability to carry on the activity in respect of which the permit is applied for. (5) The Minister may require an applicant for or the holder of a permit under this section to provide evidence that the person is covered by a policy of insurance providing adequate protection against public liability and property damage. (6) The Minister may make a permit under this section subject to terms and conditions the Minister considers appropriate including, without limitation, terms and conditions respecting the following: (a) the area in which and the times during which the person may act as a guide or carry on the instructional activity and the manner in which the guiding or instructional activity must be carried out; (B the duration of the permit; © the filing with the Minister of reports, returns and other documents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ÜberFly Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Yeah and surprisingly includes Fish Creek Park!! So does this mean that guides taking clients up into most of the high mountain streams need to purchase permits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gentlemang Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Sounds like an expensive and time consuming permit to get, If you started the process in January for that year you might actually get your permit by the end of the summer. Interesting though. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wrecker Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Yeah and surprisingly includes Fish Creek Park!! The bow is under Federal jurisdiction, swifty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ÜberFly Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Walk and wades in the park, and lessons/clinics!! :$*%&: The bow is under Federal jurisdiction, swifty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wrecker Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Walk and wades in the park, and lessons/clinics!! :$*%&: when you were calling the fly shops inquiring about their liability insurance you shoulda also asked them if they had this permit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NamasteMushroom Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Looks like the fly fishing popo are at it again. I love this province, its such a contradiction...a bunch of neocons who love more laws and more government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ÜberFly Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Who do ya think informed me of it!!! when you were calling the fly shops inquiring about their liability insurance you shoulda also asked them if they had this permit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveJensen Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 The original FFOAA (FF Outfitters Ass Ab) had a group permit (Park Use Permit) to cover this. It was within part of the mandate to have this permit to cover members. Of course, it also had a group insurance policy for its ff guide members (the only issue with that policy was that it didn't cover on the water activities which kind of became the hub of the whole unwinding). Most guides across Ab wouldn't have this PUP today. Yes, technically/legally, you need it to operate (read, even to park in a Provincial Rec Area like parking at Ram Falls, Highwood, Livingstone Campgrounds to access the river while guiding/teaching/seminar you'd need a Park Use Permit). Nobody has ever enforced this. It would now teeter on officially enduced error given the #s of guides using Fish Cr to launch through the years with no hint of enforcement. The gov certainly couldn't simply start writing tickets based on the ostrich performance on the issue to date - they'd have to do a feathered in education/warning program much like what is done with traffic laws. But yes, if anyone were to begin complaining about the lack of enforcement on the PUP, it's quite simple. Call. And maybe, just maybe, officers doing the check points at Fish Cr Park could then ask guides for their business insurance, PUP registration, proof of vehicle business insurance, FA, CPR. But, and this is always the question - how do you prove that the boat is, in fact, a guide boat or not a guide boat in the eyes of a provincial court judge? I know my father in law couldn't do it, so why would we expect any other judge to? Just how far can you take an investigation that is clearly going to wind up unable to track a cash transaction that likely isn't going into any bank account? And that is the obvious end result of any real/perceived illegal guiding, which is why so much time & energy has gone into enforcing such rules (sarcasm). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wrecker Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Who do ya think informed me of it!!! So the guides informed you of a permit they should have, but likely don't? Goood try Über wichsen.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbowtrout Posted July 10, 2012 Author Share Posted July 10, 2012 Wrecker ÜberFly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ÜberFly Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 An "ethical" guide did!! And I didn't say anything (nor did he) about not liking it!! He just informed me of the fact that one was needed!! You have the great ability to read into things that aren't there, eh Arschloch!! So the guides informed you of a permit they should have, but likely don't? Goood try Über wichsen.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wrecker Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 An "ethical" guide did!! And I didn't say anything (nor did he) about not liking it!! He just informed me of the fact that one was needed!! You have the great ability to read into things that aren't there, eh Arschloch!! ahh.. the "ethical" guide. Nice one DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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