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Sarcasm isn't lost on me it just wasn't appreciated. If you bothered to read my post Sean84 you'd see that I did not say "all is lost". So the reality is that YOU are the one going far is saying something I never stated. What I did state is some concerns that were mocked. For example I stated the the Bow and other East Slope streams likely had unprecedented mortality. I believe this for many reasons. Here's two: 1. the volume of water during the flooding was massive and many fish moved to slower water for refuge. Countless numbers of these fish then became stranded in small pools, the temperatures increased greatly during the time they were stranded, the water warmed, the fish respired and remaining oxygen was quickly consumed leading to a large die off 2. The bed load movement and sedimentation annihilated and suffocated countless YOY fish...........And no this isn't the first and won't be the last flood but what is concerning is the increased frequency that these events are occurring. This is why I wonder these things. A river can and will recover from an isolated event but repeated events may results in a gradual or quick deterioration of what we take for granted.

Wow. I stated my opinion and try to get people to think from a different perspective and I get some smart ass comments including one from an admin.I guarantee if I replied like that to an admin it wouldn't go over well for me. SJW, do you think belittling me promotes a healthy discussion? I don't.

I think we need to be prepared for the worst. Sure, the fish have evolved thru floods but this was one heck of a catastrophic event. I'd wager that the Bow and many other east slope streams had unprecedented mortality. It's going to take several years for many of the rivers to regain sinuosity and fish habitat and the fish to increase to normal levels. Additionally, the possibility of the increased frequency of these events is terrifying. It's tough for a river to continually get hammered by such events and what does this do to spawning habitat....Another issue is the increased pressure on the systems that did not get thumped (i.e. where will all the Bow River anglers relocate to and can these smaller systems handle this pressure?........I know this is a lot of doom and gloom but I think these are things that need to be considered. I'm very curious to see what happens because I think there's going to be some tough times ahead for fish and anglers. I hope I'm wrong.......

Trained enough to prevent Darwin Awards

Of course not but it's something all recreational users should be aware of, especially those that drink out of the bottom of their boats

This might postpone your fishing plans http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/story/2013/07/04/calgary-flood-water-testing-ecoli.html

This thread is disgraceful. It should be retitled hijacking. DRock asked a simple question," If you got a pontoon and do float the bow and are looking for people to possibly split the shuttle cost please post on here or pm me". Is it that hard to answer his question or refrain from hijacking the thread? If you want to post on an unrelated topic please post a new thread.

They are fall spawners so they will be congregated in the shallows doing just that right now. Find the spawning shoals and you will find them stacked up at or near that location. Once the water hits approx 9 they'll be getting busy. Personally, I choose not to fish for spawners and I think fishing for lakers should be closed during this sensitive period. That said, I'm not trying to tell you what to do just inform you of what is occurring at the moment. Cheers, WB

No, you were correct in calling it a bull trout. The Omineca region only has one waterbody with dollies in it. At least the only one I can think of off the top of my head. Bulls are frequently referred to as dollies because in the past the 2 species were both considered to be one species called dolly varden. Since that time morphology and genetics have shown them to be seperate species, the bull trout and the dolly varden. Nice bull. I hope you catch it again.

True. I hope it goes as planned.

Cleaner yes. Larger no.

You may want to define/describe total length without a pinched tail so that every body understands this and the results are comparable. I can see this causing a bit of confusion among anglers. Good luck with the project!

I didn't mention a particular study which makes it a little difficult to reference it. And referencing on a BB? Tough crowd....... You may think reason should dictate a greater investment in somatic growth of 3N fish compared to 2N but research simply does not show it. Have you ever considered all of the negative feedback loops in the pituitary-gonadal system? What if a specific hormone is lacking in triploids b/c of the reduced gonadal growth and the lack of that hormone is necessary for growth?................. Have you ever wondered why so few triploid studies continue past the maturity time of their 2N counterparts? Triploid studies by guys like Benfey have been going on for a long time. So why no results? The vast majority of triploids die before the supposed advantages are seen. Hard to offer an advantage when the fish is dead. The FFSBC has done studies but do you see results of increased growth in triploidy. Nope. One thing we need to consider is not just growth but the full meal deal including growth, survival, stress reponse etc........ The theory on triploids is great but its just that, a theory. No more no less.

What does overstocking have to do with comparing 2N vs. 3N growth? Absolutely nothing. Variables such as stocking rates are consistant between the 2 treatments in comparative studies. In addition, before you make a bold statement regarding ploidy status and growth rates, you should check out what the data shows. Because its not what you believe.