canadensis

How did we get from Flies tied by mothers in Kenya to climate change...?

Well then with how you are framing climate change in this discussion it will be a good thing.

Well this is the thing. Canada is ridiculed as each individual having a big carbon footprint, but it is below 0* for half the year. Sure there is more we can do but with our geography and climate it makes alot of these initiatives very difficult, if not impossible.

You are putting words in my mouth. I am not at all insensitive to her situation, but what are the REAL options? Easy to sit on the side lines and say this and that. You come across as a socialist that thinks no one should make any more than anyone else, this is why I told you what I did to feed my family at one time and how the CEO was raking it in because of my sacrifice just to feed my family. Definately no comparing me to her. So ya you are wrong and I am correcting you on this. It is still of my OPINION that as long as the people tying flies in Kenya are not children, and there is proper working conditions as set out by some kind of international body, a fair wage for what they are doing I have no problem with it. Like I say, what are the other real options? Just look at the labels on your clothes, where all of your electronic devices are made- tell me what the difference is?

I don't think anyone is wanting to debate the merits of child labor and sweatshops? So you pay the lady the equivalent of some kind of minimum wage or slightly above in africa for tying flies? She is earning a living feeding her family tying flies, so what is the issue? Many years ago I was a welder on a pipeline. I worked in -40, on my back, laying on my back in a steel pipe, dark, fumes, bitter cold, for months, truly shitty working conditions. If I could have somehow trained a chimpanzee to do my job back then I would be on the news and up on animal cruelty charges. (trust me I thought of it). I made good money back then, but the CEO of the company we put the line in for probably made 100x more than me and I guarantee I worked harder than him. This was no 3rd world country- right here in Alberta. Would you consider this "exploitation"?

Again some very valid points on why it is no big deal to keep a few chickens as pets in the city. I guess if it makes the few hippies happy that actually go to the trouble then good on them. Once you take into account the feed, building and maintaining a coop, heating the coop, probably a break even deal at best. Anyways- what family eats 40-50 eggs per week? If this passes council I bet it will be like a badge of honour in the hippy community if you actually do this- just like owning a hybrid. Our family has a little Toyota for running around in- gets the same or better mileage than 90% of the hybrids out there. If you account for the battery in the hybrid then I am ahead by a longshot in the whole carbon footprint thing, but I am not hippy cool without a new shiny hybrid in my front lane. So lets see- We live in a small, older home (1200s.f.) that has been updated with new windows, high eff. Furnace, raise probably half of our veggies, I kill all my own meat every year; We definitely live within our means. My cheapness has made me way `greener` than most of the eco weenies that are just now starting to catch on to this new coolness now. And yes I wash my hair every day, wear deodorant, no dredlocks. Anyways, this is a whole other discussion.

And they wonder why there is a crisis with wild salmon stocks.......

Well I agree with this, but you are sure left with the impression that a few companies think that they can charge even more under the guise of "fair trade" ie. Starbucks. Paying a nickel more to the African mother that tie's my flies would surely be passed to me with a very heafty increase that surpasses the "fair" price paid at the manufacturing level.

Does anyone know where to get 5 gallons or so of 24D concentrate ? Looks like the city will be banning the sale of it and I want to stock up.

My guess is no. They are still in your possession at your home?

Here is a great video that explains why the whole off shore/outsourcing to poorer nations is good for us; Video Here I am even considering outsourcing my job.

Either will passing a bylaw that lets city folk own a couple of laying hens...

What about 99% of my clothes, shoes, all the small electrical appliances and devices in my home, etc, etc, etc? If the lady in Kenya that ties my flies was unemployed then how would she feed her family? Fair trade in Latte shops is just slick marketing to make the left wing eco weiners feel good when they pay $5 for a coffee, nothing more. Where do they think thier ipods and iphones are made, do you think all this stuff is "fair trade" My guess is a fair trade fly with said sticker and all would probably cost the same- $5

Some valid points on the "pro" side, but really if you want to know where your food comes from it is as easy as going to an urban farmers market every weekend to do your shoping. lots of "local" farmers that can supply you with all the fresh eggs, meat, and seasonal vegetables you will ever need. No bylaw that says you cannot turn your entire yard into a garden either. After you go to the farmers market and make these connections you can find local meat, eggs and dairy within 15 minutes of any quadrant of this citys limits so there is a myriad of option on this front. I have been to countries where there are farm animals running around where people reside. The reason is simple, they do not have a reliable system of abattoirs and limited or no refrigeration. These are the same countries where you can still catch the plague, and all other kinds of nasties because of the lack of sanitary living conditions. Hey if you really want organic meat and want to know where it comes from go shoot an elk, moose or a few deer every year. You can shoot enough deer within an hour of Calgary to fill the freezer. You will also get enough hair to tie a million caddis bugs...

I am sure if you have been in a chicken coop with as few as 6 birds you will vote no. Talk to bylaw and animal services in this city; they have enough to worry about without people being able to own/raise farm animals in their yards. Just because Vancouver does something does not mean we need to follow. So you own a hybrid car, recycle some of the packaging from your gluttonous lifestyle, maybe raise your own chickens; But you work for Encana, drive to work from Springbank because your 5000s.f home does not have a bus route near and too far to cycle, have a cottage on the lake in BC that you drive to every weekend in the summer and a condo in Arizona that you fly to in the winter. This is the status quo for many here. Gotta love the hypocracy of living in an oil town where many have bellied up to the trough, yet they still want to be percieved as eco friendly by a few actions that are percieved as doing the right thing. The chicken raising is just window dressing, as most green initiatives are for the majority.

Licensing will do nothing to ensure you get a good guide. A little due dillagence from the client, no different than any other service you pay for. At one time there was a local guide that offered trips on Ebay, so he would have this rating you speak of.

Story of the year! What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

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Just like when someone runs into somebody they know at the FC boat launch when their vehicle is on the ramp and others are waiting for them to get the hell out of the way...

Maybe a 1-800 number to report the poop; same idea as report a poacher? report a pooper!

sounds fishy... was it a cab with a company logo on the door?

the only magazine that I read is the drake.

well when you read many post on here how guyys don't want to handle a fish, proper net (size), dont fish when the water is warm, no fishing during the spawn, etc, etc, etc. I would think that if you happen to tie into some bigger fish with a 000 wt rod you will have to play the *hit outa them and this is just one more way to kill a fish, maybe? I have a little 3wt for creeks and i could not imagine a lighter rod? also think of the wind, a max 14 fly they say? with a 000wt and any wind would mess with ya.

I think the bigger the fish the tougher it is on them hoisting them out of the water, not sure though? Saw these pictures and didn't know what to think, quite a few just held vertically out of the water by the jaw bone. Pike must be tougher than trout? Pike pictures

So you are saying the feeling a fish feels being gilled is close to the pain if I get strung up by my family jewel's? How have you come to this conclusion? BTW- I agree you do not want to gill a fish unless it is headed for the fryer.