SupremeLeader

Another wife comment...Nice. I won't bring your hubby into it; that is rude....as were my PM'd comments, but you asked for it.

I didn't start the personal attack(s)....that was Lynn, and you insinuating I would bring up another past topic. I commented on Canadesis' opinion on the Scientific community (which he made on this topic).....and I get ganged up on, c'mon. You guys are weak. And Lynn, I'm a 'chicken *hit',....that's hilarious! You jump in conveniently when you think you have the upper-hand (which you must.....If I made a crack like the one you made it would never be posted). But at least the Mods let me give you one back. This topic was about the cold weather and pine beetles; Canadensis attempted to turn it into something else, I responded, and I'm the bad guy? Please. I play back (dirty, as it was necessary) and you still all miss the point. "Feel free to comment but watch your tone"...... Settle down Sun, who do you think you are? And I don't need a lesson on tone and sentence structure. What a bunch.

hmmm, my calculations indicate Lynn is shorter and larger than my wife.

Wow, wife comments now..... Am I not allowed to comment on someone who is attacking the scientific community?

Explain?

Your disdain for the scientific community is both naive and ignorant.

I would speculate that considering the number of protesters and potential security issues coupled with the logistical coordination, mass transit is not an option for foreign delegates, diplomats, etc. Teleconferencing on this scale would also logistically be difficult. Another point is that these types of events allow people to mingle and discuss options at the several smaller venues that occur over the length of the conference.

agreed.

Thing is, the problem is very 'pressing' for some communities (particularily in the Arctic). And there is the vast amounts of locked methane that may possibly be released into the atmosphere if the climate continues to warm at this unprecedented rate (please...don't bring up the 10 year nonsense 'trend'). I say possibly because this is not a known outcome at this point, however, it is hardly something that should be played with considering Methane is 10 times more potent a greenhous gas than C02. http://marine.usgs.gov/fact-sheets/gas-hydrates/title.html http://www.energybulletin.net/node/3647 http://www.scientificamerican.com/article....l-below-the-ice

What? Another excellent comparison from Candensis. You just compared a National park to the Oil Sands. You do know Banff has a cap on development? Is there one on the Oil Sands?

Indeed, and make sure you also leave a hole in the Boreal forest the size of Great Britain in the process of being such concerned stewards of the environment. On another topic you mentioned pumping nutrients into the upper bow to increase nutrients. Sun, your suggestions are akin to one who thinks of themself as some kind of fifth element. All of your suggestions are slanted to suit a better life for.....yourself. On one hand you say we have no part in climate change and converting 65 millions barrels of oil per day into a gas has no effect, and on the other we should remove oil from the Athabasca region to make the river less toxic because 'it is the most reasonble thing to do'. Reason, that's a good word..you should look it up.

Stop using the 10-11 year 'trend'; this has been explained to you already. A 'trend' is something that doesn't have enough quantifiable results to be considered noteworthy. The 'trend' by the way is ~.1 degree. And to reiterate; if you start your graph out in 1997 or 1999 the results go out the window......and you talk about selective science. And to a couple of other 'facts' posted in this discussion; NASA stated that 1998 was the hottest year on record in the "United States", not the planet. In fact, the hottest year on record according to NASA is 2006 (on the planet)....not 1998. Keep bringing up the argument 'guys like SL' use about 'not caring about the future of your children', and keep posting Sun, you're oozing guilt at this point. It's so bad now you're posting Fox news sources, and you've reached 12 pages. But who knows, maybe the guilt is a good thing. Often times science denying 'Zealots' (which seems a far more appropriate term to describe your fanaticism) come full circle. Perhaps you're like Darth Vader......eventually you'll turn to the good side. Regards, Paul

I hate hockey (except the olympics). I think Sun is feeling cold; you'd better jump back in bed with him. But...would that be cheating?

That must be Sun-shine.

Check out this Sun, The report to support this news is linked to the article. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8387137.stm

How naive indeed to think you know the ins and outs of someone personal life who a. you've never met. and b.only know through the media. Nike and Gatorade must be making money off him, just like you make money from the Oil sands. Sheesh.

SL's top ten reasons people deny Global Warming 1) Money 2) Money 3) Money 4) Money 5) Money 6) Money 7) Money 8) Money 9) Money 10) Money

Keep goin' Sun. It's as if you have a guilty conscious? For me the shrinking polar ice caps, acidification of the ocean, overwhelming percentage of rapidly shrinking glaciers, spreading desertification, mass destruction of Boreal forest, pollution and waste of our water, reliance on non-renewable energy, and creation of toxic by-products speak for themselves. Not to mention the overwhelming amount of data that supports rising temperatures (not the 10 year cycle that you use which has been debunked). Not get back to drilling, cutting, pasting and surfing.

Some more oil companies planning on doing their best! http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/alberta/20...003066-sun.html

Since you're posting opinions pieces... http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/ci...en-climate-deal

I'm at an end point myself regarding this topic. I am not a climatologist; but I know dozens of people personally who work in not-for-profit scientific research. In my experience they don't lie. Sun, you work in the oil industry. Your entire career is a carbon footprint. Even if the science was 110% irrefutable you wouldn't accept it; it's a threat to you and yours. That's the real issue. A few generations will deplete the world of a major source of it's resources. What about future generations......right, they'll have renewable energy technologies, and the climate will be warmer and better (if you live in a thin band in the temperate zone). I would prefer my off-spring with a stable safe climate and environment, access to a reasonable amount of resources’ so they can build things, and respect for other groups of people around the world and the effect their lives have on others. To me the latter is a better option than to leave them with an inheritance of a big bank account because I raped and pillaged the planet, a climate damaged because I and others chose to deny science, and disrespect for other groups of people world-wide because of my stubborn self-centered attitude. How about this Sun....you make a list of all the Glaciers that are growing (not advancing..growing). I'll make a list of all of the Glaciers that are shrinking. Whoever has the most points wins. Forget it... I'll just post the link. And you can tell me how this is a lie, a conspiracy, and there are hacked Emails to prove it. http://www.skepticalscience.com/himalayan-...ers-growing.htm See ya later guys, I'm off to the misty mountains for a few days.

Indeed, they're spending 495 million from a fund...they're not spending 2 billion. And even if it is 2 billion; the Alberta gov't collect 12.75 billion alone last year from oil companies...how much did the Big Oil take home? (serious question by the way). C'mon team petrol.....you're talking about money, private Emails, skewed science, wikipedia.......My primary sources have been NASA, NOAA etc.

That's an intelligent response. Where did I say that? I pointed out that the data you presented is erroneous. The Maldives are being effected by rising global temperatures and sea level ie. climate change. It's all over the news. Again, scroll up, you still haven't answered my questions.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you also point out that C02 comes out you mouth when you exhale, but not out of your exhaust pipe? Last I heard Dinosaurs where around at the same time as people, the earth was created in seven days, and apparently the surfing was great for Noah and his crew.....at least that's what Stockwell tells me.