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22 hours ago, Birdo said:
What if they started stocking other trout like browns, broookies and tigers in the lakes with perch? They are more predacious than rainbows, could be a win win?
Tried at Phylis Lake and was a complete failure. In order for fish to grow large enough to be meat eaters, there has to be food. Perch ate it all.
The big browns in Phyllis get to 10”.
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Shel,
Only the flowing waters and Burnstick Lake contained pike.
Every other lake only had minnow populations.
These lakes were stocked with invavsives from somewhere.
Cow Lake does contain pike, most have died due to winter kill. Catch rates are lower by far.
What a trade - from 15 lb. rainbows to 2>4 lb, pike and tiny perch.
To rotenone Cow Lake would cost upwards of a million dollars. To do other lakes in the area may add another million.
Time for a perch killing tax in fishing licenses? $20/year/angler would do Phyllis and Tay the following year Struble and Twin.
Don
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Smitty,
Perch are invasive as are trout in lakes where they did not occur naturally.
The question that should be asked, which lake stocking species draws the most Anglers?
All of the lakes with the exception of Burnstick and Swan in the Rocky area were fish free.
When trout were in Cow Lake you couldn’t find a place to park. Last year, opening day with illegally stocked perch and Govt stocked pike, there were a whole two of us fishing.
Cow Lake raised trout to 15 lbs.
Sad - what a waste of Fishing opportunity.
Don
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Sorry Smitty - get your facts right,
Cow Lake never contained perch and pike until stocked in there.
I shspect Hassee was the same.
The Alberta record rainbow at one time came outta Hassee, Perch create tiny trout.
and here we sit - doing nothin.
I was part of the group getting fines up to reconditioning mode, modern Fisheries made illegal stocking worthwhile.
Talk we, do lots of that - doing one thing - nope.
Don
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16 hours ago, Smitty said:
That's one way to look at it.
Another way is to also say that not allowing retention of perch hasn't done anything to improve those trout lakes as well. Furthermore, I don't believe the zero retention was working as a deterrent. You're dialed into the bios and conversations Don, can you cite some evidence of any upside to that policy? It was, what, in place the past 5 - 7 - 10 years?
So if leaving the perch alone didn't help trout, and it's not preventing the bucket biologists from acting selfishly, maybe it is time to reverse the policy. Maybe they should allow unlimited retention and a must kill policy for perch. What could it hurt at this point?
If the lakes aren't going to be properly re-habbed with rotenone and/or the aerators shut down in the winter, I am the "might as well try this now" stage.
Clearly, you see it differently. Fair enough.Smithy,
we keep loosing Lakes to perch. The Anglers and govt sit on their asses.
We need some cattle prods installed wired for 220v.
If I could fix this idiocy, I would. This level of contempt for fisheries would get you skidded.
Don
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Over 40 years nothing has been done about illegal perch except reward illegal stocking.
Remember Cow Lake which was raising trout to 15 lbs.. Illegal finally stocking with perch resulted in rewarding that insult with stocking of pike,
i was at Cow Lake last spring opening day. Me an one other guy. When trout were in there, the place was packed with people from across Alberta,
Anglers vote with their feet. Get rid of the perch/pike.
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Stupid arrives again.
Illegal stocking of perch now rewards the ***hole doing the stocking by the Province establishing a limit rather than not allowing retention.
After 1/2 the lakes in the Rocky Area getting illegal perch stocking, the idiots running fisheries still reward law breakers.
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Five Geese on local pond yesterday.
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Not legal to whack ‘em!
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Bron,
Just another cute poacher. They don’t even make decent flies.
However, they do like killing things including people.
I’ve been chased several times.
Wonder if they could be trained to eat Goretex.
Don
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Guys,
I got a kick outta listening to people tell me that this or that lived here or there. One of these was a local biologist who is younger that some of my ties. So, I thought of the business of furs and realized the fur companies kept records. Further, if it was marketable, it was killed and traded for goods.
Do take the time to read, as I have, the Factor Log for the fur types traded to the Fort at Rocky Mountain House in the 150 years of existence,. One otter traded by the natives who lived from the 49th to Grand Cache along the eastern slopes. Grizzly Bear and Wolverine hides were traded suggesting the natives killed and traded what they could to survive.
The Manitoba Govt has the originals. I was allowed to see copies
Lots of otters traded into Ft. Edmonton from the Crees from the Boreal Forest regions. Jayhad, clearly the info you had is correct but for the boreal forested area not the sub-alpine or alpine regions. Alberts is a huge place with many land types. Not all shared all species.
As far as otters in Rocky. In fifty years of living here I has only seen otters for the past few years. Most of the govt biologists have never seen one. Last I heard they were still looking for otter *hit.
i’ve seen Otters at Cow Lake, Prairie Creek, Clearwater River, Mitchell Lake, Beaver Lake and Ironside Pond.
However I have seem fewer otters seen in the past couple of years. Why they arrived and why tbe numbers are down is not known. There is a fur limit of one for this region.
Don
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Otters are an invasive species much like Asian Carp.
However, they are “cute”.
Disney strikes again.
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Saw a robin.
No geese yet.
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I wish a had a tank.
Tbe ultimate OHV. I could drink and carouse wherever I wanted.
And no more puny fireworks.
You want exploding targets, i’m Into exploding everything.
WILD AND FREE!
Don
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6 hours ago, rudedawg said:
Well, how about this for a pot stirrer: Jody Wilson-Raybould for Prime Minister!
That was her objective.
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Tis an ugly winter. And pots are meant to be stirred.
wants help?
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10 hours ago, Jayhad said:
SHACK NASTIES EH?
let's all talk about how mad you are going to be when I run my 185HP mini-jet boat up and down all the tributaries of the Red Deer this up coming season..... ALL OF THEM, hahahahaha
Tell someone who cares.
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What the hell is going on.
Not one internet battle this winter.
Maybe we are getting way too mellow.
I just knew that legalizing weed would be the downfall of society.
please bring back the old days.
Don
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Fish....
hijack, who cares.
i think that Bob Clay, venerable Guide and fine bamboo rod builder from the Kispiox Valley of B.C. was originally mentored by Harry. Bob, I”ve heard was from Calgary.
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Albertatrput,
Many years ago I fished the strangest place ever for Athabaskas. Right through an operating coal mine on tbe Gregg River. Was a beautiful trout stream reminding me of Racehorse Creek.
The only downside was the thousands of styrofoam cups floating here and there. A product of tbe miners.
I’ve caught other Athabaska Rainbows in streams all over the place. The fish tend to be small reflecting the tough conditions of their existence.
Don
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Hi,
Harry Horner ran the fishing/outdoor dept. at Woodward’s for a number of years. He was also a member of the Hook and Hackle Club.
He left Woodward’s and worked for a time at Barrottos when they were located just across the bridge on 9th Ave. If I recall correctly, he passed while steelheading in B.C.
regards,
Don
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Do recall the last Federal Govt had to be sued to release recovery plan for Cuts.
Their replacement arrived and the Recovery Plan squirted forth.
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I received the email below from Carl Hunt, retired biologist for the Hinton/Edson region.
The Athabaska Rainbow is the only native rainbow in Alberta.
Don
Dear SARA
Population numbers of Athabasca rainbow trout are variable due to natural environmental events, land use changes in their native habitat and angler harvest, however an overall decline became noticeable in the early 1990’s. A review of the population status was conducted and stocks were considered “May Be At Risk” in the General Status of Alberta Wildlife Species, 2005 report. The Provincial Status report was completed in 2009 by two eminent Fisheries Professors (Joseph Rasmussen & Eric Taylor). The Provincial Scientific Subcommittee reviewed the information and the Endangered Species Conservation Committee recommended a provincial designation of “Threatened”, 2009. A provincial recovery team was organized in 2010 including federal representatives (DFO & Jasper Park) and completed a recovery plan and recommendations, that received Provincial approval in 2014.
The committee on the Status of Endangered Wildlife in Canada, COSEWIC, 2014, recommended Athabasca Rainbow Trout (Oncorhynchus mykiss), as "Endangered" under the Species at Risk Act (SARA). The urgent public consultation period was a short 30 days (2016-01-08 to 2016-02-09) and yet three years later, I can't find any 'action' to list or protect this unique population of rainbow trout.
The decline of Athabasca Rainbow Trout was recognized over 20 years ago, documented by scientists at least 10 years ago and recommended by Provincial & Federal Science Committees as 'Threatened' & now 'Endangered', but SARA is still processing the information! Angling has been limited to catch and release for this population for over 20 years and last year a complete five year angling closure was recommended by Provincial fish managers for an entire river watershed (Berland River and tributaries ). However, no Federal or Provincial government actions have been reported that reduce habitat destruction. I am aware of continuing evaluations and culvert surveys but the 'ACTIONS' have not been summarized or made available to the public.
I continue to review the SARA notifications but I'm unable to find even a priority list for 'Endangered' freshwater Fish. Does SARA have a priority list for review and approval of species recommended by COSEWIC? If so, where is Athab RNTR listed and when can anglers and the public expect the official designation that might provide habitat protection or at least some enforceable legislation?
Carl Hunt
Edson Alberta
Timeline ACTION summary for Athabasca Rainbow Trout
2005 - May be at Risk
2009 - Threatened
2014 - Threatened Provincially & nominated by COSEWIC as Endangered.
2016 - Public review by SARA
2019 - Results of public review ?
2020 - Designation by SARA ??
20__ - Extirpation ________???
Cc. Dr. Darryl Smith, Fish Chair, Alberta Fish & Game Assoc.
Carolyn Campbell, Conservation Specialist, Alberta Wilderness Association,
Neil Keown, Chair, Alberta Chapter, Backcountry Hunters Anglers
Silvia D’Amelio, Chief Executive Officer, TUC, Alberta
FishWildOldtime, Retired F&W staff, Alberta.Bcc. General Public
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On 2/1/2019 at 9:02 AM, fishjunkie said:
I'm curious Don, do you try out a few fly lines to find out what works best with your rods? There are just so many choices for fly lines these days I'm not sure if it's a bad or good thing. And on top that you have all the hype to wade through.
Hi,
i fish Cartland 444 DT lines on 5 weights and under. Been using them for near 45 years. First decent fly line I got was a Cortland 333 bought from Harry Horner who worked at Woodward’s in Chinook Mall. I paid a whole $13.00 when my days pay was $10.75/day in 1964. In 6 weights, I use Cortland WF6F, and Sci. Ang. Ultimate Trout and several sinking likes from a number of companies. For bass and pike, I am presently using a wet tip and a bass bug taper from Sci. .Ang. I have several steelhead wet tips and specialized shooting tapers.
Several things about today’s line manufacturers concern me. Several build their lines 1/2>2 lines weights heavier than marked on the box. Each of them seem to confess the real weights on their respective web sites. Be careful, they will and do BS you.
Most line manufacturers build decent products. I have owned several other lines from other manufacurers and returned to what I listed above.
I get about 250 days out of a Floating line cleaning them occasionally.
As far as bamboo rods, I fish the same lines on them or graphite or glass. Makes no difference to me.
The only line I own that really is different is a HDH (6 weight) silk line that casts further, lands lighter and lasts longer than any plastic line.
Some people talk about 25 year old silk lines.
Regards,
Don
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Bull Trout and Athabaska Rainbows to get help
in General Chat - Fishing Related
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Folks,
There's a deadline for comment - April 22nd - and a requirement: "Interested persons may make representations concerning the proposed Order within 30 days after the date of publication of this notice. All such representations must cite the Canada Gazette, Part I, and the date of publication of this notice, and be addressed to Julie Stewart, Director, Species at Risk Program, Fisheries and Oceans Canada, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0E6 (fax: 613‑990‑4810; email: SARA_LEP@dfo-mpo.gc.ca)"
The proposed Order can be found at:
http://gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2019/2.../reg1-eng.html
The proposed designation poses a number of questions:
1) will there be closed waters
2) in waters where these trout exist, will fishing and not retention be allowed
3) incidental catches may occur causing harassment or death
4) what effect will the listing have on other users like forestry, drilling, quads
5) what efforts will be undertaken to rectify past issues like hanging culverts and the like.
6) will Anglers be allowed to target these species.
Lots of things to think about.