acurrie Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 So, I was down at the highwood yesterday morning and caught a sizable "fish" about 19-20 inches long on a Double Bunny pattern in a deep pool. The fish looked pretty much like a rainbow, black spots on the dorsal fin...etc etc. But, it had White slashes on the anterior part of the Bottom Fins (pectoral??) with a red Hue very much like a Bull Trout. Plus it was quite hefty and had larger teeth than any rainbow I'd caught before. Now maybe it all in my imagination, but it looked like a Bow/ Bull cross?? if thats even possible. My camera is dead so I don't have a pic. Any thoughts? Drew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markd Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 they spawn at opposite times of the year (bulls in the fall, rainbows in the spring), and most rainbows get a white leading edge on their fins. I'd put it as very unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Most rainbows in Alberta are a potpourri of mixed rainbow/redband/cutthroat genetics. You're gonna find mixed markings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Most rainbows in Alberta are a potpourri of mixed rainbow/redband/cutthroat genetics. You're gonna find mixed markings now i highlighted the part that threw me off.....never heard or seen a "redband"....???..........Wolfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flytyer Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 now i highlighted the part that threw me off.....never heard or seen a "redband"....???..........Wolfie Strain from Oregon http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/fishing/regional/f.../coldwater.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Flytyer partially right, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redband_trout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flytyer Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Flytyer partially right, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redband_trout Wouldn't be surprised that they contain both strains here Columbia and Great Basin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sundancefisher Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Wouldn't be surprised that they contain both strains here Columbia and Great Basin Bulls and rainbows have not been recorded breeding/hybridizing naturally with viable offspring http://books.google.ca/books?id=eGGqGYEQXD...;q=&f=false While rainbows are Spring spawners there are many places were you can find late spawners such as the Crow and Smith Dorrien. In Smith Dorrien they spawn in Early August due to the water temperature finally warming up. In the Crowsnest there are Fall spawning rainbows as a result of stocking releases. Hatcheries use fall spawning rainbows in order to have fish ready in the Spring for stocking. Cheers Sun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flytyer Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Bulls and rainbows have not been recorded breeding/hybridizing naturally with viable offspring http://books.google.ca/books?id=eGGqGYEQXD...;q=&f=false While rainbows are Spring spawners there are many places were you can find late spawners such as the Crow and Smith Dorrien. In Smith Dorrien they spawn in Early August due to the water temperature finally warming up. In the Crowsnest there are Fall spawning rainbows as a result of stocking releases. Hatcheries use fall spawning rainbows in order to have fish ready in the Spring for stocking. Cheers Sun My post on the two strains referrs to the redband rainbows only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwell Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 like others mentioned they arnt going too spawn mainly because one is spring spawner and the other is fall.. the red bands u find with white markings isnt all that rare.. seem em on teh crow quite a bit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Flytyer..can you tell me how or why you think we, here in Canada would have that sub specie..the redband bow,and how would this specie get in our waters up here...hope I'm not asking too much, ...and please don't give links to read....................Wolfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwell Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 the columbia river basin red band and other trout species are not native wolfie they were stocked.. all browntrout in north america are european.. brookies otehr than easter canada and north eastern usa are all stocked one way or another across teh usa and canada... all bows/redbands in alberta were stocked no matter were u are in teh province(except teh athabasca drainage).. most from strains in teh states... the only native ifsh too alberta in the salmonidae family are the grayling cutty bull laker and athabasca bow only in teh athabasca drainage no were else in alberta .. i believe we have several species of redband trout.. pick up "trout and salmon of north america" about a dozen species of redband in the states if not more if memory serves me correct.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 the columbia river basin red band and other trout species are not native wolfie they were stocked.. all browntrout in north america are european.. brookies otehr than easter canada and north eastern usa are all stocked one way or another across teh usa and canada... all bows/redbands in alberta were stocked no matter were u are in teh province(except teh athabasca drainage).. most from strains in teh states... the only native ifsh too alberta in the salmonidae family are the grayling cutty bull laker and athabasca bow only in teh athabasca drainage no were else in alberta .. i believe we have several species of redband trout.. pick up "trout and salmon of north america" about a dozen species of redband in the states if not more if memory serves me correct.... Thanks for the info Maxwell, so i guess that Alberta did what Ontario and Ohio did more than 30 years ago by importing King, Coho, and Kokanee from BC to start up their fisheries, but in this province they stayed with what would bring a colourful fisheries, the mixing of the trouts..well the very first 'rainbow' I caught back in May, surprised me..it had the most beautiful purple hue running down the lateral line which stirred my memory of the 'land locked salmon' found in a very few lakes in the north eastern Ontario. Now after reading this thread, I searched to see what this redband trout look like, and came up with this link... http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/fishing/regional/f.../coldwater.html ........at least now I can see what they look like..............Wolfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwell Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 a few more strains for u dude.. not great info but still something too read! http://fieldguide.mt.gov/detail_AFCHA02092.aspx http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redband_trout http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http...7LqCutgP06onvCg this link is cool.. and tehre is more.. check out that book i posted.. got it way back formmy aunt... never knew there was so many types of trout in north america! there are quite a few sub speices of browntrout too.. most are not common.. they even have browns in iraq afghanistan turkey ... all unique too there own enviroment... http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http...7LqCutgP06onvCg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 a few more strains for u dude.. not great info but still something too read! http://fieldguide.mt.gov/detail_AFCHA02092.aspx http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redband_trout http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http...7LqCutgP06onvCg this link is cool.. and tehre is more.. check out that book i posted.. got it way back formmy aunt... never knew there was so many types of trout in north america! there are quite a few sub speices of browntrout too.. most are not common.. they even have browns in iraq afghanistan turkey ... all unique too there own enviroment... http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http...7LqCutgP06onvCg Don't know what to say....except Thank you again m8, I'll read what you posted..yes I know there r a variety of browns around the world, and some have the same trait as the steelie...out to the ocean..return after a few years to spawn [New Zealand, Chile] but this also happens from a huge lake system [the great lakes] then back to the rivers in the fall to spawn..in Ontario............Wolfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwell Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 yup! there are some big lake browns adn rainbows out east thats forsuer! most lake living trout swim upa creek too spawn! some(not all) just dont grow 10 - 20 lbs like the great lake trouts do tho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 yup! there are some big lake browns adn rainbows out east thats forsuer! most lake living trout swim upa creek too spawn! some(not all) just dont grow 10 - 20 lbs like the great lake trouts do tho! read a story about a guy in the states , who caught a 20 lber brown in July of this year, was going to post his story, apparently it was caught a few years back by the fish/game, recorded and let go only to fall to this guy's wall...and by the way ...u take great pics............Wolfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Beg to differ a bit Maxxer, Athabow is a strain of columbia river basin red band. Edit; I wished McNeilly had made the transition from the old FFA to here. He's the true authority on Alberta's cold water fish. I on the other hand, only know enough to be effin' dangerous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timjorourke Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Beg to differ a bit Maxxer, Athabow is a strain of columbia river basin red band. Edit; I wished McNeilly had made the transition from the old FFA to here. He's the true authority on Alberta's cold water fish. I on the other hand, only know enough to be effin' dangerous max is correct with what he said. The Athabasca bow is a unique type of bow that is only found there. They are the only bows in north America that are native to any drainage east of the continental divide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 unique yes but Behnke also groups them with the Fraser river red bands which are Columbia river basin red band Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timjorourke Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 unique yes but Behnke also groups them with the Fraser river red bands which are Columbia river basin red band Agreed. I love Behnke's books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbowtrout Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 "Athabasca River rainbow trout are likely postglacial immigrants from adjacent populations of the Fraser River" So they moved here the same time Taco did http://www.springerlink.com/content/p416437047m32p66/ http://www.srd.gov.ab.ca/forests/pdf/anc/a..._2_Pg_85-98.pdf http://www.llbc.leg.bc.ca/public/PubDocs/b...ted_sept_25.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Agreed. I love Behnke's books. Yep, good stuff "Athabasca River rainbow trout are likely postglacial immigrants from adjacent populations of the Fraser River" So they moved here the same time Taco did http://www.springerlink.com/content/p416437047m32p66/ http://www.srd.gov.ab.ca/forests/pdf/anc/a..._2_Pg_85-98.pdf http://www.llbc.leg.bc.ca/public/PubDocs/b...ted_sept_25.pdf So Big Boy, do you actually have a job? One would think in these tough economic times it would be nose to the grindstone keep below the radar time...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 unique yes but Behnke also groups them with the Fraser river red bands which are Columbia river basin red band I think Behnke only groups the Atha bows with the Columbia red band, because he doesn't know where else to group them. If you re-read his section on them he seems to consider them a pretty strange little strain that is quite different from any other rainbow or red band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwell Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Beg to differ a bit Maxxer, Athabow is a strain of columbia river basin red band. Edit; I wished McNeilly had made the transition from the old FFA to here. He's the true authority on Alberta's cold water fish. I on the other hand, only know enough to be effin' dangerous "Athabasca River rainbow trout are likely postglacial immigrants from adjacent populations of the Fraser River" So they moved here the same time Taco did wow learn something new every day! thanks dudes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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