JMasson Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 I use a 9 foot 3wt and have absolutely no problems fishing small creeks. You can roll cast further and with more accuracy if you have a longer rod. Nymphing is easier with a longer rod and presentation in general is easier. You can mend easier with a longer rod. I have used TFO rods for years and I think I know how to cast...been doing it for 18 years. I do own several high end rods and I also own four TFO's which are my go-to rods, so to speak. My 4wt Finesse had the balls to yank a 24 inch bull out of a deep hole on the Highwood a few weeks ago. You just have to know how to use the stick properly and it won't break. I've had one break on me over the years and that was when I hit a dog on the nose with it...I'm confident that would've broke any rod. Kris, no offence man but I was casting with my Finesse at the Little Smoky and I was out casting your Sage...or maybe just the caster . Let's get out to the Ram sometime before the snow hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birchy Posted August 28, 2008 Author Share Posted August 28, 2008 Thanks for all the input guys! I managed to get some money from selling my skates yesterday, so I'll be getting SOMETHING this weekend. Just not sure what yet. The other thing I need to get is a proper waterproof fishing jacket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdock Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 I use a 9 foot 3wt and have absolutely no problems fishing small creeks. You can roll cast further and with more accuracy if you have a longer rod. Nymphing is easier with a longer rod and presentation in general is easier. You can mend easier with a longer rod. I have used TFO rods for years and I think I know how to cast...been doing it for 18 years. I do own several high end rods and I also own four TFO's which are my go-to rods, so to speak. My 4wt Finesse had the balls to yank a 24 inch bull out of a deep hole on the Highwood a few weeks ago. You just have to know how to use the stick properly and it won't break. I've had one break on me over the years and that was when I hit a dog on the nose with it...I'm confident that would've broke any rod. Sweet dude! I've done the same with a 2 weight! It wasn't 24 inches but it was pushing 22. I wasn't expecting him but you're right, if you know how to handle your stick you'll have nothing but fun. I'm talking fishing here guys. LOL! Oh yeah and in Water Marks Jim does a good job explaining this point in one of his chapters. Check it out, great book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdock Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Thanks for all the input guys! I managed to get some money from selling my skates yesterday, so I'll be getting SOMETHING this weekend. Just not sure what yet. The other thing I need to get is a proper waterproof fishing jacket. Ummm...I think you missed my post, you are gonna buy my rods and I'm going to get something this weekend. Seriously, you gotta listen up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birchy Posted August 28, 2008 Author Share Posted August 28, 2008 Ummm...I think you missed my post, you are gonna buy my rods and I'm going to get something this weekend. Seriously, you gotta listen up. Seriously.. didn't I already do that once? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdock Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Seriously.. didn't I already do that once? Well you go with what you know so what's the deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbow Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 8'9'' is waaaaaaaaaaaay too long for a 3wt. Look for a 7' or 7'6'' hmmm, don't agree. my fave rod is (should be was) sage 389-3LL. great on small streams and great on the bow river. had a 379LL which was good too but way prefer the 8'9" the extra reach is great. also have a winston 7'6" and it hasn't left the closet in about 6 years. probably one of those to each his own things. what would the problem be with it longer? but unfortunately my pal's @#$%^&*(@#^%$ choc lab turned it from a 3 piece into a 5 piece rod as i was stringing it last weekend. still don't understand how he broke a 7" piece out of one of the sections but he did. not sure what will happen with the warranty as i think the LL line is discontinued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhuseby Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Why do you want 4 piece rods? Unless you're planning on flying to some destination, and who doesn't want to, a 2 piece no disadvantage. Maybe if you drive a mini car? I've found that I always get some rotation in the joint between the butt and second sections of a 4 piece while casting. You just have to move it every so often, but it never happens on a 2 piece. A minor peeve of mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birchy Posted August 29, 2008 Author Share Posted August 29, 2008 Why do you want 4 piece rods? Unless you're planning on flying to some destination, and who doesn't want to, a 2 piece no disadvantage. Maybe if you drive a mini car? I've found that I always get some rotation in the joint between the butt and second sections of a 4 piece while casting. You just have to move it every so often, but it never happens on a 2 piece. A minor peeve of mine. Easier to carry around that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birchy Posted August 29, 2008 Author Share Posted August 29, 2008 Anyone know how much the Loop Opti Creek series is? Who carries them in Calgary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weedy1 Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Anyone know how much the Loop Opti Creek series is? Who carries them in Calgary? http://www.whistlerflyfishing.com/shopping...fm?category=214 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birchy Posted August 29, 2008 Author Share Posted August 29, 2008 $600! Do you guys think I'm single or something?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weedy1 Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I was just going to ask if you would be willing to paying $600. Hell you could buy a Sage for that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I would go with a short 7'6" for the 3w, why would you want to high-stick with a 3w on a small creek? Most times you can get away with a smallish dry and a small beadhead dropper on flouro tippet for small creeks. Ever consider a 4-piece 5w? Pretty versatile for most fishing situations, including high-sticking smaller rivers. IMHO you should keep your 2-piece 6w for the Bow since it don't really matter you aren't really packing it in like you would in the mountains. If you do like high-sticking and are stuck on a new 6w, get a 9'6". I like my FLi in that length for nymphing the Bow. Good luck, buying new stuff is fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harps Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I would go with a short 7'6" for the 3w, why would you want to high-stick with a 3w on a small creek? Most times you can get away with a smallish dry and a small beadhead dropper on flouro tippet for small creeks. I like my little Sage 8'6" 3wt. The length allows you to reach out into the small stream while staying behind cover or to crawl on the grass and easily move the fly into the desired current without casting. Where there is really tight bush, I break my rod down to 2 pcs. to move through it. I'll often use my 9' 5wt for fishing the same places. Don't let anyone tell you that length doesn't matter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toolman Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Birchy, check out the Loop Multi series. This rod series is very impressive in both single and double hand models. The Multi's are an evolution of the Loop Greyline series, which were also great rods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdock Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Don't let anyone tell you that length doesn't matter... It's the size that counts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birchy Posted August 29, 2008 Author Share Posted August 29, 2008 I've gotten a few emails and PM's since my "rant".. some things brought to my attention that I was unaware of. I just may turn to the 'dark side' yet.. That being said.. any comments on the quality of Sage's cheapest rods.. the Launch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teck71 Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 my son has a 6wt launch and he likes it, I have cast a couple flies with it and wasn't bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harps Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 My 3wt is a Launch. Softer action, but I love it. Great for the small stuff I do. Soft tip, progessive action that will bend right down to the cork. I tried a bunch of lower cost 3wts (I don't fish 3wts much), and the launch cast the best for me. Much better than some of the stiffer rods out tere for what I wanted it for (delicate, close fishing). (I also really like the colour, not that that has anything to do with it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I like my little Sage 8'6" 3wt. The length allows you to reach out into the small stream while staying behind cover or to crawl on the grass and easily move the fly into the desired current without casting. Where there is really tight bush, I break my rod down to 2 pcs. to move through it. I'll often use my 9' 5wt for fishing the same places. Don't let anyone tell you that length doesn't matter... Yes a 9' 5wt is good for alot of situations, including some situations on a small creek. Thats why I suggested it as an alternative to getting a new 6weight. Delicate casts are easier with a lighter rod though, and alot more fun with a fish on. I'd rather have a shorter rod for small creeks if you do have to cast, say upstream, when there is alot of over-hanging obstacles. Try a Sage FLi, its been a good for me and its only a bit more expensive than a Launch. My 9'6" only cost $330. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headscan Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 $600! Do you guys think I'm single or something?! The Loop Multi 2wt is a nice rod and about half the price. I think Max has one. http://www.whistlerflyfishing.com/shopping...fm?category=179 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birchy Posted August 29, 2008 Author Share Posted August 29, 2008 Try a Sage FLi, its been a good for me and its only a bit more expensive than a Launch. My 9'6" only cost $330. There's a bunch on EBay right now for good prices it looks like.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harps Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Yes a 9' 5wt is good for alot of situations, including some situations on a small creek. Thats why I suggested it as an alternative to getting a new 6weight. Delicate casts are easier with a lighter rod though, and alot more fun with a fish on. I'd rather have a shorter rod for small creeks if you do have to cast, say upstream, when there is alot of over-hanging obstacles. Try a Sage FLi, its been a good for me and its only a bit more expensive than a Launch. My 9'6" only cost $330. Good points. Do you notice the extra weight associated with the 9'6"? I had considered it or a 10fter before I got my switch rod, but I wasn't sure if it would wreak your arm after a long day of fishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tako Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I use a 9 foot 3wt and have absolutely no problems fishing small creeks. You can roll cast further and with more accuracy if you have a longer rod. Nymphing is easier with a longer rod and presentation in general is easier. You can mend easier with a longer rod. I have used TFO rods for years and I think I know how to cast...been doing it for 18 years. I do own several high end rods and I also own four TFO's which are my go-to rods, so to speak. My 4wt Finesse had the balls to yank a 24 inch bull out of a deep hole on the Highwood a few weeks ago. You just have to know how to use the stick properly and it won't break. I've had one break on me over the years and that was when I hit a dog on the nose with it...I'm confident that would've broke any rod. Kris, no offence man but I was casting with my Finesse at the Little Smoky and I was out casting your Sage...or maybe just the caster . Let's get out to the Ram sometime before the snow hits. I'm back home now for good. Next year!? You are a better caster, by far. You also have a 6' 2wt which you'd use on the creeks I'm thinking of. You're also sortof comparing apples to oranges, 4 to 3. Combo it up with you being a better caster and having a heavier, longer rod, and yeah, you'll whip my ass any day of the week. I was admittedly undergunned on the L Smoky in rod length, but the water was uber high!? Everyone can have their damn opinion, mine is that if you want a 3wt, you want a short one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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