Notley's Staff....anti-Oil Activists From Toronto...wow!

[Vagabond]

Un-freakenbeleivable!!

Can we impeach a Premier??

 

http://www.therebel.media/here_s_how_rachel_notley_has_been_working_overtime_to_ruin_alberta

[jpinkster]

Un-freakenbeleivable!!

Can we impeach a Premier??

 

http://www.therebel.media/here_s_how_rachel_notley_has_been_working_overtime_to_ruin_alberta

Take Ezra's perspective with a grain of salt.

[Vagabond]

Take Ezra's perspective with a grain of salt.

Facts are facts,not an anti-NDP spin.

 

Her chief of staff,a Toronto anti-oil activist,doesn't even live in AB,and gave 10 out of 12 cabinet jobs to non-Albertan supporters,including Graham Mitchell,another Toronto based ANTI-Oil REGISTERED LOBBYIST !!!

He's chief of staff to our Energy Minister for chrissakes!!

WTF??

 

Petition to fire Mitchell,please watch the video and Share The F outta this!!

http://www.therebel.media/firemitchell

[Taco]

Why don't you keep that Ezra shitshow crap over on peckerwood paradise otherwise known as albertaoutdoorsmen???

[WyomingGeorge]

Perhaps one reason we're not supposed to discuss politics?

 

But, surely, Taco, the truth or falsehood of a statement shouldn't depend on who is making it. One may object to Ezra, but either it's true that the new premier has hired anti-oil ideologues who would like to destroy Alberta's number-one industry, or she hasn't. If she has done so, it doesn't bode well for our economy...and how I feel about Ezra doesn't change that.

 

The union propaganda posted a couple of days ago did not elicit quite so obscene a response from the guys on the right.

[Vagabond]

Why don't you keep that Ezra shitshow crap over on peckerwood paradise otherwise known as albertaoutdoorsmen???

Ummmm....because I beleive it's important to share and spread the word of how outrageously incompetent and self destructive this new government of ours is,hell bent on turning Alberta into a have not province by sabotaging our province's.....make that arguably our COUNTRY'S most important economic industry.

Can't hardly wait for Mulcair to take office,might as well move back to NB if I'm gonna be flat ass broke anyhow.

[Taco]

because this foul mouthed guy from the center right thinks that ezra levant is one reason that right wing politics is so divided in Alberta that we are likely to have a 2 or 3 term NDP government if Notley is at all a competent leader. I love how the hard right boys bitch and moan about how left wing the media in Canada is and then take the slanted BS that comes outta Ezra's self serving mind and mouth as gospel.

 

Prime damn reason I voted Anything But.

[scel]

Facts are facts,not an anti-NDP spin.

 

Her chief of staff,a Toronto anti-oil activist,doesn't even live in AB,and gave 10 out of 12 cabinet jobs to non-Albertan supporters,including Graham Mitchell,another Toronto based ANTI-Oil REGISTERED LOBBYIST !!!

He's chief of staff to our Energy Minister for chrissakes!!

WTF??

 

Petition to fire Mitchell,please watch the video and Share The F outta this!!

http://www.therebel.media/firemitchell

 

Ezra Levant has a history of not using facts.

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/ezra-levant-loses-hate-speech-case-must-pay-80000-to-man-he-defamed-as-illiberal-islamic-fascist

 

http://o.canada.com/news/ezra-levant-libel-suit-552865

[BurningChrome]

because this foul mouthed guy from the center right thinks that ezra levant is one reason that right wing politics is so divided in Alberta that we are likely to have a 2 or 3 term NDP government if Notley is at all a competent leader. I love how the hard right boys bitch and moan about how left wing the media in Canada is and then take the slanted BS that comes outta Ezra's self serving mind and mouth as gospel.

 

Prime damn reason I voted Anything But.

I want to like this post multiple times but the forum won't let me.

[jimbow]

Shouldn't we give Notley and crew an opportunity to govern for at least a few years if not a full term before they are declared incompetent and self destructive? the PCs did not govern this province effectively or efficiently for a long time. it's shameful that AB's education and medical systems are as in bad a shape as they are for starters.

 

I'm a centrist person (right on economic, left on social) but from the old days of when PCs were actually progressive. I don't like the recent individual tax increases but I sure understand the need for them.

 

I was somewhat shocked by the election results but am certainly willing to giving Notley an opportunity to govern. In the short term it's hard to imagine it could be any worse than what we had and perhaps it will change the way AB is governed in the future.

[Vagabond]

I doubt if Alberta can afford 4yrs of the Nötley Crüe,but what can ya do?

It will most likely be a wake-up call to both the PCs and Albertans once they realize that the grass isn't greener on the left side of the fence.Hopefully there's still an oil industry left to save 4 yrs from now and all the big players haven't packed up their toys out of the sandbox and bailed.

[midgetwaiter]

Take Ezra's perspective with a grain of salt.

 

Is that enough salt? Ezra attracts flies for the same reason an outhouse does.

[Jayhad]

I love these dyed in the wool rednecks that are freaking out, you know who you are. Head's up dunderheads you're on the wrong side of history. If this was 100 years ago you'd be the horseshoe salesman complaining about them new fan-dangled horseless carriages.

[vhawk12]

History is history, good or bad. Would you say the same thing to all the people in other provinces who had their economies ravaged by the NDP? If history played into this, then people would've seen what has happened under NDP Regimes and maybe the result would've been different.

 

Also, please keep in mind that the 'right-wing' vote totaled to 53%, so it's not a changing of the guard as you suggest, it's the fact that the right couldn't get their *hit together and split the vote.

 

I'd like to know what percentage of guide's clients are employed in the oil industry...I'd bet a pretty significant amount...Wonder what that number will be after 4 years of NDP rule. I'd bet money that most clients will be public sector employees instead.

[Jayhad]

Also, please keep in mind that the 'right-wing' vote totaled to 53%, so it's not a changing of the guard as you suggest, it's the fact that the right couldn't get their *hit together and split the vote.

The right will be dead soon, you need to discuss this with younger folks, sooner or later the political climate will change as the vast majority of young people are more concerned with social and environmental issues rather than continuing to sell out our country to make another buck.....

When I was guiding I would estimate 30% of my clients were from the oil industry and I could care less if the bottom falls out of the oil industry, I diversified my life 6 years ago.

 

To me a cleaner world with less selling out to corporations and supporting my fellow man is far more valuable to my soul than a few more 000s in my already bursting bank account that I'll never completely utilize. Plus the intolerance the 'right-wing' voters show in this world is disgusting, I'm glad they got bitch-slapped

 

Scary huh?

[vhawk12]

Yup, the right may be dead soon and that's a scary thought. The problem is, a lot of the "younger folks" are of the entitlement generation...they were brought up being told they were all special, their farts smelled like marshmellows and they could have whatever they dreamed of, they can all be Prime Minister if they want...Problem is, no one ever told them that it takes hard work to achieve their dreams, and many have poor work ethic. Not this 'everyone gets a participation medal' crap...they have to compete in life especially for jobs. What industry is the major employer in this Province? How many new grads out of High School and University are actually finding quality jobs? These 'young people' that are 'more concerned with social and environmental issues' are living in their parent's basement, they're not actually contributing to society by being gainfully employed and contributing to the tax base or spending (their own) money to support our economy.

 

The left doesn't understand that 'social and environmental responsibility' comes at a cost and left-wing governments typically have great plans but no clue how to pay for them. So to applaud them for increasing conservation efforts, increasing funding to the public sector, raising corporate taxes, etc. is all well and good until eventually someone asks 'how are we going to pay for all of this?' Then, typically the answer is to raise taxes again when you've already driven out any kind of investment capital or entrepreneurial interest, unemployment has skyrocketed and demand on social programs (EI&Welfare) will be higher than ever, all this and a diminishing tax base to fund them. Pretty sure something similar just happened in a place called Greece....no one worked, those that did were public servants who really got paid for doing nothing...people retire at 50 on good pensions, so much so that extended families are living with their grandparents and heading to the beach every day....Additionally, how has the NDP/left wing worked out for all other provinces in which they've governed?

 

Lastly, I'm glad that you feel supporting your fellow man is valuable to your soul, no one can fault you for that, it's an admirable quality...unfortunately, human nature suggests you are the exception rather than the rule...Greed and corruption is not exclusive to 'big Corporations', and if you're willing to give, there's 50 others willing to take, and they will take until you have no more to give. I'm glad that you're able to survive without "Big Oil", that you are strong enough to tow your drift boat with a pedal bike. My point is that you're not going to get rid of the big corporations, they will survive, the hard-working people employed by them will feel the pain. So I'm glad you've got a bursting bank account, because I'm working downtown right now, worried that I could get axed at any moment, wondering how I'm going to support my family if that happens and how long it will be until I can find work again. If/when that happens, I'll call you up as I know you're willing to support your fellow man.

 

Sorry, tried to keep this short...didn't happen

[jpinkster]

I don't have much of a response to that, but I'll leave you with this thought:

 

For 43 years we had a "conservative" (and I use that phrase lightly, especially in the last 8 years) government in this province. Throughout that times we kept taxation low and created a very business friendly environment. In order to do this we often mortgaged things like the environment. I would love to see a scenario where we keep taxes low and keep a conscience when it comes to environmental issues, but the two seem to almost always be at odds with one another.

 

The previous government failed on the environment file. We absolutely need to find a way to pay for things, and I'm hopeful this government can find a way to get us closer to the best of both worlds. Conservative governments are all fine and good until they stop actually being conservative.

[Jayhad]

Yup, the right may be dead soon and that's a scary thought. The problem is, a lot of the "younger folks" are of the entitlement generation..

 

 

I'm glad that you're able to survive without "Big Oil", that you are strong enough to tow your drift boat with a pedal bike. My point is that you're not going to get rid of the big corporations, they will survive, the hard-working people employed by them will feel the pain.

 

So I'm glad you've got a bursting bank account, because I'm working downtown right now, worried that I could get axed at any moment, wondering how I'm going to support my family if that happens and how long it will be until I can find work again.

 

If/when that happens, I'll call you up as I know you're willing to support your fellow man.

The "entitlement generation" was built by the previous generation, stop laying the blame on the children. When you coddle your children they become entitled, the children didn't change the rules the parents did and no you can all lie in the beds you made.

 

I don't bike with my drifter but it is very easy to jog with it on my cart...... done it many times

 

I don't mean to be rude, but the writing has been on the wall for 10 years, being comfortable in your job when you should have looked at putting some eggs in another basket is what has got you and this province in the situation we're in.

 

I'm not at the point of opening my arms to North Americans yet, if you live in poverty in NA you are still in the 1% of income earners world wide. But if you need a place to crash or meal let me know for I won't turn you away

[vhawk12]

I never said who's fault it was, regardeless these children are now adults that should be contributing members to this society and they're not (for all the reasons listed above) Fact is, it happened and this Province and Country is now starting to see the effects. Further, don't suggest I am raising my kids this way, they will be raised to work hard and to compete in life, and they will be all the better for it.

 

Explain to me how the writing has been on the wall for 10 years? Please elaborate further as you seem to have had insight that most did not.

 

You're a guy with a family are you? If not, then you have no business suggesting to me what I should've done 10 years ago...because you don't know me and you sure as hell don't know my situation.

 

What I know is that left wing economics will be the demise of this Province, that is the writing on the wall.

[vhawk12]

I don't have much of a response to that, but I'll leave you with this thought:

 

For 43 years we had a "conservative" (and I use that phrase lightly, especially in the last 8 years) government in this province. Throughout that times we kept taxation low and created a very business friendly environment. In order to do this we often mortgaged things like the environment. I would love to see a scenario where we keep taxes low and keep a conscience when it comes to environmental issues, but the two seem to almost always be at odds with one another.

 

The previous government failed on the environment file. We absolutely need to find a way to pay for things, and I'm hopeful this government can find a way to get us closer to the best of both worlds. Conservative governments are all fine and good until they stop actually being conservative.

 

I think if you could actually look at the environmental record objectively and people hadn't been inundated with eco-sensationalist propaganda for the last decade, then you'd see that Alberta's regulation in the energy sector is second only to Nuclear Power generation. Environmental Impact Assessments for any new (oilsands) projects make up 3/4 of the entire application and they cost millions of dollars. If you think they've failed, then fine, but are you saying that because that's what you've heard or do you have actual hard evidence that this is the case.

 

There's always going to be compromise on development versus conservation, but to think that we can stop development all together is a pipedream. I work in industry, but I also was raised in a rural community and was taught to respect the environment, clean up after yourself and others. I love fishing obviously, and maybe to sleep at night I take the stance that if I'm working in industry AND I hold the environment in high regard, maybe I can illicit change from within.

 

I agree that the last 8 years of government in this province were atrocious from all aspects, but it wasn't enough for me to change my fundamental political (and economic) views.

[jpinkster]

Another point to consider is our level of enforcement. Sure we have legislation in place, but is it actually enforced? I've spoken with more than a few biologists that work in the patch. They suggest that the rules don't really seem to matter since many of them are blatantly ignored.

We can't pat ourselves on the back for our great policies if we don't find a way to enforce them.

[Vagabond]

Another point to consider is our level of enforcement. Sure we have legislation in place, but is it actually enforced? I've spoken with more than a few biologists that work in the patch. They suggest that the rules don't really seem to matter since many of them are blatantly ignored.

We can't pat ourselves on the back for our great policies if we don't find a way to enforce them.

I'll call BS on that!

I actually work hands on,in the field,in the oilfield construction industry,and have a few years hands-on experience in pipeline construction as well,and I can assure all of you Eco-champions of the earth that the regulations and protocols are indeed VERY strict these days,to the point of hyper-redundancy....in fact,you can't even have a Fn *hit in the woods without somebody wanting to write you up for polluting!

Some of you enviro-Nancy's really need to pull yer head out of your holier than thou ass,leave the city and Starbucks behind for a day,and see how bizness is REALLY conducted in the field.The OHS and Environmental safeguards that Alberta's oil industry work under are second to NONE In the world,and an enormous percentage of any projects cost.

Go ahead and chain yourself to a giant Redwood if it makes ya feel better about yourself,but you Leftard hippy slackers aren't gonna stop the machine.....and like it or not,you need big oil to maintain your lush Alberta lifestyle,I don't GAF what industry or profession or public service slack ass pencil pushing job you're in,big oil is paying your salary in this province.

[jpinkster]

Not sure the previous comment deserved that level of response. I'm simply sharing what I've heard. I'm sympathetic to both sides of this argument, and have never once pretended otherwise.

[Vagabond]

Sorry,wasn't actually directed at you pinkster,I'm just saying in my experience of close to a decade in pipeline/oilfield construction,as well as countless oilfield reclamation projects,I find it hard to beleive that the extremely stringent regulations are being "blatantly ignored".....certainly not on a regular basis as would be implied.Perhaps by a few bad apples and outright bribery of some shady inspectors,but for the most part I think that projects are completed under strict adherence to the rules,and to safest and highest environmental standards possible,and at ENORMOUS additional cost compared to doing things in a half assed,max profit manner.

Perhaps it just strikes a nerve with me when socialist lefty Libtards that have never had dirt under their manicured nails in their life can sit around Starbucks sipping lattes and criticize the industry that pays for their shiny new Beamers.

Or when a Bow R guide can state that he doesn't GAF about the 30% of oil clients that book with him,when the reality is,EVERY facet of Alberta's economy is directly linked to the oil industry,from the guy selling nails at Home Depot,to the carpenter buying those nails to build new homes,to the girl at Subway that makes his lunch.

I'm curious to know who he thinks is gonna be booking $550/day+ floats when the economy tanks and unemployment skyrockets,and the few that have a bit of expendable income are in fear of losing it all,and hiring the fly by night guides that come out of the woodwork,as in every unemployed oil patch worker with a boat and a fishing rod is suddenly a guide.

 

"Socialism is fantastic until you run out of other people's money to spend"

Margaret Thatcher

[Jayhad]

 

Or when a Bow R guide can state that he doesn't GAF about the 30% of oil clients that book with him,when the reality is,EVERY facet of Alberta's economy is directly linked to the oil industry,from the guy selling nails at Home Depot,to the carpenter buying those nails to build new homes,to the girl at Subway that makes his lunch.

I'm curious to know who he thinks is gonna be booking $550/day+ floats when the economy tanks and unemployment skyrockets,and the few that have a bit of expendable income are in fear of losing it all,and hiring the fly by night guides that come out of the woodwork,as in every unemployed oil patch worker with a boat and a fishing rod is suddenly a guide.

 

I worked in the oil industry, in the field.

 

60% of my clients were out of province/country tourists, so once again you're wrong. I don't care who books with whom or for how much, it's not my gig anymore.

 

You're opinion and experience holds no weight with me since you came onto this forum raging about how dumb all the drift boat operators are on the bow and how we don't know how to anchor our boats according to your decades of "experience."