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    Orivs Hydros

    in Ask the Pros

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    Hydros was discontinued with no current replacement (access is closest in price). If you can't find a 9'6" the 9' will cast pretty similar... Enough to get a sense of which you like more

    Shuttle Thread Spin Off From The Guide Thread.

    in General Chat - Fishing Related

    Posted

    I never once changed a post to fit my theory. Perhaps you should reread every word, such as "if it works" in the quote from your post 2 posts ago...

     

    35 bucks. That's approx 70 dollars per hour or more on any float, and a lot more for floats like glen to police...

     

    It's no wonder I feel stupid everytime I post on this forum, doesn't seem to matter the topic or the fact that it's my own opinion, someone will jump on ya...What a giant waste of time

     

    Good luck Jay

    Shuttle Thread Spin Off From The Guide Thread.

    in General Chat - Fishing Related

    Posted

    I have to say that you are far off base, or at least not understanding how the shuttle companies make themselves more efficient.

     

    The drivers will have the keys for the vehicles at Glenmore, Police and Mac, allowing them to use the Client Vehicle as their OWN shuttle service to get to the next take out. Therefore, the "shuttle bus" only has to do one round trip to Glenmore to Carseland and back (if the trips were optimally managed). They do not have the shuttle van go to glenmore, then to policemens, then to mac, etc if they can avoid it. I know that when i'm putting in at mac, i'm not getting moved until they move someone elses down from Police..

     

    Another fact is that most shuttle companies, the drive of the shuttle van IS the owner of the company. Therefore his wage is the profit..

     

    Sorry to get us so off topic, however anyone that makes their living all summer on guiding, understands why the shuttle prices are hard to swallow. I can make my lunches from scratch, buy gas at certain locations, tie my own flies to save myself some money. Any time i could save money on shuttles, i'll take it

    Shuttle Thread Spin Off From The Guide Thread.

    in General Chat - Fishing Related

    Posted

    PS: There was a post about the cost of shuttles which I thought was not completely thought out, if you feel it cost to much to have 2 responsible people drive your vehicle and trailer to your get out spot maybe you should consider starting your own shuttle service to see just how much profit there is after paying these two responsible people and the fuel, wear and tear on the return vehicle.

     

    How many shuttle companies are running with only 1 driver and 1 shuttler?

    None that I know of. Most have full vans, shuttling over 5 vehicles per stop (if theres that many that day..). If it works, they can drop off the drivers at Glenmore and pick them up at Carseland.

     

    Being conservative with 4 drivers, that's 12 shuttles at $50 (or more) for a 120-130 km round trip... So the company has made 600 bucks. And that would be a slow day most of the summer.

     

    So am I really that far off base?

     

    Guiding is not making anyone rich, so every extra dollar in pocket at the end of the season is one I'd like. Shuttles are pretty well equivalent to MORE than gas per trip for me.... That's serious dough when added up.. I know almost most any guide would switch shuttle companies if it saved them a bit of money each day.. or at least the ones that depend on guiding for their living

    Guide's Association Yay/nay, & How Do We Start?

    in General Chat - Fishing Related

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    Wish this would let me quote within quotes, so you'll have to go back to your post to see what i was talking about. Replies within in red.

     

    Brent, thank you some excellent points there; and in asking questions please don't think I am attacking or questioning the validity of your statements I am just trying to get a better understanding.

     

     

     

     

    I completely agree these are hold ups, an association would have to police itself. As for who is a guide is I would think there would have to be boat restrictions, (no tinnies or canoes) evidence of first aid, and liability insurance. How do you manage the watershed? I have no idea, but if things continue unregulated where will we be? Perhaps a review of days guided the previous year with a 10% increase.

     

     

     

    You don't have to travel very far south to see we are taking it between the anal fins on shuttle prices

     

     

    Do you really think this is an issue? these guys never really put much effort or $$$ into their service so they go by the wayside, mind you if it was government run this would become a non-issue

    Yeah this is an issue. More and more guys calling themselves guides, yet coming out of the woodwork. From never fishing the Bow to being a guide within a year..that's insane.. Whats worse is that most first time clients do not know any better..

     

     

    I think this may be a sign of the times, these problems are evident on most major watersheds in western Canada right now. Look at threads about the Thompson, Vedder, Fraser, our bow river report has one rant at least each day in the summer. I haven't fished in the US much are they experiencing the same things? or are we just not used to the growing pains of our ever increasingly popular streams? There's always going to be a-holes

     

    If there was accountability in the form that you were part of a group, and could actually be recognized, there would be far less anonymity, and more recourse for the guys being absolute dicks. Plus it could allow for an opportunity to teach new guides proper ettiquite. Just because someone else cut you off one day, is not an excuse to cut off everyone for the rest of the year. An etiquette course/test would be nice

     

     

    Even though I'm a culprit of fishing in the winter I couldn't agree more, this season I have decided to give them rest. (not judging anyone if it's legal knock yourself out)

     

     

    Honestly I've never given this any thought, you'd have to be living under a rock since the 60's to not know wide flow changes negatively effects fish but I thought in the Bow it was becuase we have so much concrete funneling water into the Bow. Does transalta open the valves more?\

     

    There are guidelines regarding quality of storm outflow water, however the bumps from transalta does occur from rain, as well as when they decide to drop it a ton. Transalta also dicks with flows way too much during the summer. Nothing worse then getting on the river and seeing a 2 foot water line. I also talked to SRD about this, and again it was a "if it wasnt for the dams, we wouldn't have the river the way it is anyway"....

     

     

    I don't guide in this area as I feel it sees far to much traffic, but I think it is a prime example for rod day restrictions, I think closing guiding on all cutthroat streams is not the way to go as there is tons of virtually untoached cutty criks in this province, and then we may see a negative influx of days on the Bow, but your point does have merit.

     

    So why not leave them untouched? There should be rivers/areas that are NOT guided upon. Plus guiding for cutthroat is damn near robbery. You're a glorified chauffeur. Cutties have a very limited growing season, and when they're being subjected to clients fishing the same runs every day for 2 months straight, they're not going to do well.

     

     

    So no guiding before 7:00am? tough one for myself personally as I like to fish the stonefly hatches from 22:00-4:00 but typically that is it for me for the day. I don't see this as lowering pressure unless there is a large amount of guides taking out two groups in one day..... I know of several guides that like to launch at 4:00 Am but they are typically off at 13:00 and don't reguide.

    Why not leave it for FISHING, not guiding. That is how up till about 4ish years ago this was. There was NO one guiding it. And the ones that were in the know we're not talking it up on forums and fly shops. There was a code that you didn't guide ppl on it, especially locals, and you don't mention it... Thats the worst part of this hatch, is that as soon as one guide starts with the early morning stuff, then everyone else is trying to compete and getting earlier and earlier. The fish get so royally freaked out of the big bug after a week, that the fishing is significantly effected well into the rest of the day. Plus, if left alone during the dark, those fish are more then willing to eat stones ALL day..They've been trained that the only time they're safe now is in the cover of dark, and even that is changing. I've witnessed numerous fish not only refuse naturals, but LEAVE when seeing them....

     

    Obviously this is not really a feasible thing to be outlawed (good luck enforcing it), however it let me bitch a little bit. I know some rivers do not allow fishing until 1 hour after sunrise, which could be a solution, just exchange guiding for fishing.

     

    Thanks for your input

     

    again, ranting. apologies

    Guide's Association Yay/nay, & How Do We Start?

    in General Chat - Fishing Related

    Posted

    This is my and my own opinion.. I want it done for the sake of the river and the industry. That does not mean restricting members of the public. In fact, any regulation of guiding will make the fishery a NICER place to be for Joe Public. However, the only way to make it work is to reduce total number of angling days by guides...good luck getting that anywhere

     

    I asked SRD about making guiding legislated a few months ago. They have no interest at this time, as guiding has to be proven to be negatively effecting a watershed before they will do anything.

     

     

     

     

    Why it won't work:

     

    - Who decides that you're considered a guide? If you just have to pay a few bucks a year, then what difference will it make than now, other than having the ability to say you're a "registered guide".

    - How do you manage the amount of guiding on a watershed.

    - Angling days have to be managed. Who controls this? Who controls how many each guide gets? What criteria do you have to have to get angling days? Who would go for it, if it has the chance of putting themselves out of business. If you grandfather all the current guides in place, then what benefit is there really as the problem is not fixed other than brand new guys on the river.

     

     

    Why i'd like it:

    Maybe have some swing with the shuttle companies. The shuttle prices are nuts, and we all just suck up and pay it because we have no alternative. Perhaps if we had a voice to say that if a company charges up this much less, they get all the business....

     

    Enough of the guides who have their boat for less than a month and want a way to pay it off quicker..

     

    A friendlier environment. The Bow was a gong show the last few years. Cutting off, pushing fights, keyed vehicles and slashed tired, etc, etc.. It's getting tiring.

     

     

    Here's my opinion on some of the legislation that should get looked at:

     

    -Close the Bow, Bearspaw to 22x from Oct15-March 15.. Too many times have I seen anglers (and some guides....) targeting browns while on Redds. Wading and dropping anchor on redds and spawning gravel, as well as hitting the same winter holes day after day. Fish need a break, which they're consistently getting less of year by year.

     

    -More accountability for the insane flow changes on the Bow during rain events.

     

    -Kill the guiding on cutthroat streams. All you have to look at is the Oldman in the Gap for reasons why.

     

    And this one (which everyone will laugh at me for): Stop the insanity of July. No guiding before 7:00AM on the Bow. Will lower pressure for the public, as well as stop the guiding twice per day.

    Logging The Castle Area This Summer

    in News Discussion and Current Issues

    Posted

    Great arguement from Lorne. Logging off the Castle reeks of hidden agenda. How is it possible that there hasn't been a fisheries input into this plan? Private industry would require fisheries and aquatics surveys as part of the EIA process, why is the Alberta government exempt?

     

     

    The AB government has the right to not do an EIA through Section 92(A), however, the Federal Government could be compelled to do so through a lawsuit under Section 91(10) and 91(12). I don't know a thing about Law, so i would assume that someone would have to bring this forward to the Federal level before any notice would be taken.

     

    It's been done before regarding Forestry, (Friends of the West Country vs Canada, 1999).

     

    So really you just need an NGO to step up and take it somewhere, such as TU. Does Friends of the Oldman River still exist?

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