Thx all, one of these days I will remember to bring my camera when i fish for the cats, one day,,,, you use big streamers are big nympho's ah nymph's,,, any thing big and ugly. A boat is better but you can stand from the bank, best below the damn at lockport so you hvae some fluctuating levels and currents and some big drop offs but then again thats why the fish are there,, I bought a 10 wt just for this fishing,, I just started fishn for the cats this year so i am still learnin not much yet to talk about, but working on the big one, a freind of mine caught a 30 lb on a rod and reel useing shrimp as a bait, now I just need to get that one,,, I will post some pics as soon as I can, but with the job it's a little hard to find the time to much time on the road but then again thats why I bought the 4 piece 8 wt lol.