headscan Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Received this today: Hello everyone, The Recommendations of the Working Groups for the Skeena Quality Waters Strategy Angling Management Plans are now posted and downloadable on the website at: www.env.gov.bc.ca/skeena/qws/ The Ministry of Environment is expected to meet with the Working Groups and respond to the recommendations by mid-November 2009. You will receive an email notice when the ministry response has been posted on the website. Thank you for your continued interest in this process. Alan Alan Dolan BSc, MSc Senior Facilitator, Skeena Quality Waters Strategy Alan Dolan & Associates 250-478-8056 adolan@islandnet.com Only skimmed it so far and it isn't looking too good. Wonder how much money they've blown on this whole thing so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 420FLYFISHIN Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 whats more money a fish farm or a government employee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawgstoppah Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 wow. they already rape you bad for the license fees, and this basically says were gonna shove it up your a$$ .... AND... you can't fish on saturdays. Well if this goes through I dont give a rats azz how good the fishing is. Oregon / washington's starting to sound pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Hawgstoppah said: ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtforward Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Still got a ways to go before it becomes the law of the land and there was the odd recommendation that would be good for Skeena. Was a little disappointed that the rest of Canada is as non resident as all other countries. Overall though it would be pretty hard for provincial officials to not see the self serving direction the majority of the recommendations are taking ...where is a Bob Hooten type in the final decesion making group when you need one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricinus Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 With the composition of the Working Groups, I don't think you could expect anything different. I will wait and see what the Minister says and does- could be filed away on the top shelf for future reference. Regards Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykiss Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Biatch all you want on a BB......Does you no good.......Send in e-mails to MOE and Ministry of Tourism Culture and the arts....squeaky wheel gets the grease. env.minister@gov.bc.ca TCA.Minister@gov.bc.ca and yes wtforward I agree NRA's and NRC's should be seperated in the hierarchy....that (being the hierarchy) is skewed to all F@#$!!! as they see a guided NRA that has a high chance of being guided by a fellow NRA higher up on the hierarchy list than a NRC...which is absolutely a slap in the face....again back to point send in letters to the people who are going to legislate this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkk Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Truly unbelievable!! everyone send nasty emails. Do you think there is any way to get the alberta government informed and involved. Crazy Proposals: Working Group members noted that a limited-day licence on its own was not included specifically in the draft Angling Management Plan so the Phase II Consultation Report has limited information on public and stakeholder acceptability of this approach. However, there was some interest in this element expressed at stakeholder meetings and in other input to the fall 2008 consultation process. So all the public meetings and and open houses are rendered useless because you are now trying to implement something totally different ? Quality Waters Strategy – Hierarchy of exclusion The Quality Waters Strategy (MOE 2005) states: “Where angling opportunities become oversubscribed, decisions regarding angling opportunities will reflect the priority and interests of British Columbian resident anglers.” The strategy also states that “The recommended hierarchy of diversion/exclusion is as follows: 1. Non Guided Non Canadian 2. Non Guided Non BC 3. Guided Non Canadian 4. Guided Non BC 5. BC Anglers, guided and non-guided” What this means is that if the quality of angling on a particular river is poor due to crowding or other issues, the first groups regulated are the non-residents (1 and 2), the second groups regulated are the guided anglers (3 and 4), and the last group regulated is the resident anglers. This is often referred to as the Quality Waters Strategy hierarchy of exclusion. this is crazy, you are to say a NON CANADIAN who has money to pay more can buy more rights to fish than I whom am canadian (non bc). why do guided anglers have more rights than another canadian (non bc). the above goes to show who is really driving the boat here "THE GUIDE OUTFITS". bunch of bullshit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkk Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 It kills me that there are 200 plus people that have viewed this thread and only 7 responses. In the photos section any threads regarding steelhead had way more views and also way more responses. most of the responses were : I love that place, wicked pics,cant wait to go back, maybe one day. Well!!!! Maybe one day you might not have that pleasure!! Please read it and send emails to the B.C govt. Rightyeegs is right the squeaky wheel does get the grease. env.minister@gov.bc.ca , TCA.Minister@gov.bc.ca , adolan@islandnet.com , Paddy.Hirshfield@gov.bc.ca PLEASE SEND EMAILS anyone have any connections local news papers,tv reporters maybe that might help some. most people couldnt care about fishing but it is beyond that! ITS ABOUT BEING A CANADIAN, YET BEING TREATED LIKE AN ALIEN (american, european, etc). WE ALREADY FUND THE MANAGEMENT OF THESE THRU FEDERAL TAXES. Thanks in advance. PKK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwell Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 yall got it pkk n rightyeegs i think most people dont really knwo what too say.. i write in smal pieces on how i feel mostly what u highlighted in bold above! what we need is mass majority of people sending in the same/similar thing really.. simple as that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkk Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 more findings: this is off the B.C fishing synopsis: SALMON MANAGEMENT IN FRESH WATER SALMON REGULATIONS IN FRESH WATER The management of salmon fisheries in B.C., in both tidal and fresh waters, is the responsibility of Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO). This tells me that it is federal dollars that go to manage these fish. CANADIAN TAX DOLLARS. I cant believe my money (i am from ALBERTA) is helping fund this whole SKEENA AMP. there will be more restrictions put on NON BC CANADIAN RESIDENTS than a non canadian who is willing to pay for a guide. and all of that money does nothing for the fishery only into the guides pockets. and most of the steelhead lodges in that area are partially owned or funded by NON CANADIANS (americans). This is way beyond fishing. ITS ABOUT BEING TREATED LIKE A CANADIAN!!!! LOVE TO HEAR BACK FROM ANY ONE OF YOU THAT I HAVE EMAILED!!!!! Peter Kirkegaard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkk Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 It kills me that there are 200 plus people that have viewed this thread and only 7 responses. In the photos section any threads regarding steelhead had way more views and also way more responses. most of the responses were : I love that place, wicked pics,cant wait to go back, maybe one day. Well!!!! Maybe one day you might not have that pleasure!! Please read it and send emails to the B.C govt. Rightyeegs is right the squeaky wheel does get the grease. env.minister@gov.bc.ca , TCA.Minister@gov.bc.ca , adolan@islandnet.com , Paddy.Hirshfield@gov.bc.ca PLEASE SEND EMAILS anyone have any connections local news papers,tv reporters maybe that might help some. most people couldnt care about fishing but it is beyond that! ITS ABOUT BEING A CANADIAN, YET BEING TREATED LIKE AN ALIEN (american, european, etc). WE ALREADY FUND THE MANAGEMENT OF THESE THRU FEDERAL TAXES. Thanks in advance. PKK COME ON EVERYONE THIS WHERE A FORUM LIKE THIS COULD TRUELY MAKE A DIFFERENCE. POWER BY NUMBERS. ITS AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE RESPOND TO STUPID POSTS YET WHEN THERE IS SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT WRT FISHING NOBODY GIVES A *hit. IS IT TO DIFFICULT TO READ? JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW MANY LAME ASSES THERE REALLY ARE ON THIS BOARD !!!!! PKK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headscan Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 and all of that money does nothing for the fishery only into the guides pockets. And that's another big point - this plan has nothing to do with protecting the fishery. If you think it's about the fish in any way you're deluding yourself. Since this is also an issue about a federally funded fishery, here's the DFO minister's email address: Gail Shea - Shea.G@parl.gc.ca Wouldn't hurt to write to your own MP either. To find your MP's email address go to this page and enter your postal code: http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Parlinfo/Compilatio...e.aspx?Menu=HOC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchie Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 peter i hear you and i'm totally on board , been writeing and making phone calls , whats funny is alot of locals don't want this to happen , i swear if i owned a big company and this bullshit passed with making it all NRA , even if from canada ,and couldn't fish without one of them guides , in my company there was people from B.C working , i'd find a way to let them all go ,might take awhile but i'd find a way , and send them all packing back to B.C , the whole sad thing story is thats it's not about the fish , or the crowding , it's as everything these days ''the MONEY'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headscan Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 It kills me that there are 200 plus people that have viewed this thread and only 7 responses. In the photos section any threads regarding steelhead had way more views and also way more responses. most of the responses were : I love that place, wicked pics,cant wait to go back, maybe one day. Well!!!! Maybe if we challenge people to come up with a logo for it that'll generate more interest. (note the bitter sarcasm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hydropsyche Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 the whole sad thing story is thats it's not about the fish , or the crowding , it's as everything these days ''the MONEY'' I wonder where I heard this before.....oh ya....the SEK. But too many people, on this board, agree with the SEK with their myopic view of it being for the fishing experience. No harm. Everyone can afford it. I doesn't affect me. The money is going to a good cause? etc. Now BC special interest groups have learned from the experience. Some people will bitch and moan. Write letters. Threaten legal action. Boycott. Be ridiculed. But give it a year or two and they will be opening their wallets. The lucky few anyway. As long as they can afford to pay as much as all the rich people from other parts of the world. Whatever the market will bear (I wonder how many of you enraged steelheaders have forked over to fish the SEK.) You wonder why there isn't more indignation. Where are the crowds of people carrying torches and pitchforks? I'll tell you why I'm not carrying one. I feel beaten. It causes tension between me and some of my fellow Albertan anglers if I voice my principled stand. But I'm not dead. I will continue to boycott because the only damage we can inflict is economic damage. The fact my drop of damage is immediately replaced by gallons of $ support from fellow Albertans is discouraging but I have to continue to fight the good fight. I will send my emails and butt heads with those who think this AMP is just. I do it for my childrens' children. A couple of closing thoughts: I told you so. Believe me, the Skeena is not the end of it. and If you have *ever* paid to fish the SEK, then you are partly to blame for what you are seeing unfold before you. As Dr. Phil says "they do it because it works". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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