ok thanks for your suggestions guys, now i may have a tougher time, im now considering the Dave Scadden Skykomish sunrise model, the price is awesome too at 999.99 from the regular 1800 bucks
i also looked at the frameless foldcat. pretty handy and you sit up high unlike the scadden frameless as it just sits too low.
something that i factor in is that i will be breaking it down and putting it together upon transport as i drive a compact suv and not a truck
decisions decisions....
the shows coming up next week and i hope i can make up my mind before its over