agbff Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Lets see some intruder style fly's ya use on the bow. Thread: Flat waxed nylon red Shank: 25mm wadington Hook: Gamagatsu #2 Eyes: Yellow real eyes Dubbing ball: White ice dub, olive at the head Hackle: White saddle Body: White and olive craft fur, shrimp marabou, olive and natural polar bear, green ostrich, pearl dna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjjones11 Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 A very nice bug, but I think a common misconception is that a trailing hook classifies a fly as an "Intruder" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 420FLYFISHIN Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 what are the requirement for making it an intruder? eyes pheasent Rhea, orstrich back hook i know there are a few more i just cant remember them right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headscan Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Last time I checked there weren't any requirements for making a fly an "intruder". More than anything I think it's about the shape of the fly and movement in the water. If you go to Speypages and search for "intruder" you'll find lots of flies that have a similar overall look and feel to them, but don't necessarily have the same materials or tying steps. You can tie them on tubes or on shanks with a stinger. I think sometimes we get too hung up on the names of things. Andy, what you've got there is a nice fly that'll catch fish. The fish probably don't care what it's called when they strike it either. Here are some I use on the Bow. I'd list the materials, but honestly I tie every one of them a bit different and I can't remember what's in them. More than likely they include rhea, ostrich, seal dubbing, polar bear, marabou, polar chenille, schlappen, saddle hackles, lady amherst, krystal flash, and/or flashabou. I generally tie mine on size 4 4xl streamer hooks, use 50lb spiderwire and a gamakatsu octopus hook for the trailer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headscan Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Here are a few links to tying instructions for "Ed Ward's Intruder". You can see that all three are fairly different... http://www.isomedia.com/homes/celestev/ins...st_intruder.pdf http://www.angelfire.com/wa/salmonid/fly574.html http://speypages.com/speyclave/showthread.php?t=31417 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjjones11 Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 http://speypages.com/speyclave/showthread.php?t=31417 This is the way the Original Intruder was tied and designed by Ed Ward. So yes, there is an exact pattern. Calling every fly with a stinger hook 'intruder style' is simply not true, just as calling every mayfly adult an adam style fly is not true. And i'll be the first to tell Flyon that his fly is a very nice streamer, that will catch a lot of fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 This is what I go on for Intruders. The pattern is listed in Dec Hogan's "A Passion for Steelhead", but I don't own a copy. If anyone does and can post the recipe, that would be cool. to be an intruder it has to have eyes.to be an intruder it has to have a trailing hook, preferably small in relation to the body size to be an intruder it has to have pheasant tail for the hackle to be an intruder it has to have grizzly hackle for side wings to be an intruder it has to have ostrich herl for a tail If it doesn't have these things it isn't an intruder. It may be a good fly. It may OUTFISH an intruder. But it isn't an intruder. It's a HAF (Huge Assed Fly). Intruders are HAFs but not all HAFs are intruders. You can tie a "rhea intruder" or an "Amhearst intruder", or a "bunny intruder", or whatever you want, but to be fair you should qualify it. Just like a "marabou clouser", "bead head prince nymph", etc. I just recently watched this youtube clip, which should make it clear, the reason that the fly should be tied in a certain way. If you don't add some elements, it just colapses when it gets wet. Just watch this thing when it gets wet, it's still just as large as when it's dry. Click here if the movie does not play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjjones11 Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 You're missing the need for a deer hair collar (which is required for a true Intruder). That is what lets the bug really stay puffed out, as well as increases the movement of the fibres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headscan Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 The title of the post says "Bow Intruders" not "Ed Ward's One True Intruder" (and there were a few other guys involved in creating it including Jerry French and Tucker English), if it's just about semantics. From what I've heard Ed Ward doesn't use deer hair on the intruders he ties any more. Does that mean he isn't tying Ed Ward's Intruders? Maybe we can leave the pedantic semantics of this alone and just see more pictures of intruder-ish flies people fish on the Bow? I know I've seen pics of some nice ones that Silverdoctor ties... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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maxwell Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 dope flies! i liked that clip in skagit master.. and the link from speypages is badass! i prefer seal fur for the bump and polaebear for te collar aswell!!!! but its all in waht u make of it! look at all th bugger varients out there... same dealio!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 420FLYFISHIN Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Here is my Russian Intruder. There are 3 cone heads and a tube weight to get this puppy down. I must have had this in a powerbait bag because i cant keep the fish off it lol. a bit too full but is seems to do the trick. Under water it is about 1"-1" 1/4" around so it looks like a good meal, they will hit is out in the deeps or 5ft from the rod tip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headscan Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 This is what I go on for Intruders. The pattern is listed in Dec Hogan's "A Passion for Steelhead", but I don't own a copy. If anyone does and can post the recipe, that would be cool. Just checked my copy. The pattern is almost identical to the one in this link: http://speypages.com/speyclave/showthread.php?t=31417 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Thanks Headscan. I don't think tube vs shank makes or breaks the pattern, that tube looks slick. The recipe for an intruder in Dec Hogan's book is very different from the latest version from Ed Ward, so the fly is evolving over time. For sure, they looks like 2 completely different species now. i prefer seal fur for the bump and polaebear for te collar aswell Agreed on those points Max. If you get a chance, check out Todd Scharf and ask him to show you his polar bear dubbing loop. Now that really keeps the hackle from collapsing on his HAF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwell Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 u betcha darren.. i **** chatted with him lastyear at the expo! hes got it goin on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agbff Posted January 20, 2010 Author Share Posted January 20, 2010 Badger, thats a really sweet pic and looks like a beauty brown! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headscan Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Agreed on those points Max. If you get a chance, check out Todd Scharf and ask him to show you his polar bear dubbing loop. Now that really keeps the hackle from collapsing on his HAF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Yes, Thanks for that, that is exactly the spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiasson Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I'm jut wondering about preference for length of the stinger. I figure it would be optimal to have the stringer just hidden within the longest material on the fly, and not any longer, so as not to miss fish to short strikes. I've been experimenting with this and have tied up some Clousers and buggers with small stingers, haven't fished them yet though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headscan Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 I generally just make my stingers long enough so my materials don't foul on the hook. Usually ends up being an inch or a bit longer off a 4xl streamer hook shank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 One of my many, Max got me addicted to tying these. They are alot of fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiasson Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Curious what size hooks everyone is using for their trout stingers? I stumbled across some Mustad 92567R #4's today, they look like they'll do the trick great, but too big for Bow trout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headscan Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I like the size 2 barbless gammies on mine. I find if they're smaller that I can't get the wire through the hook eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxwell Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 i use the mustad tube hooks in 8's n 10s i believe.. nice little hook and really sticky! they are really heavy thanked too so havnt had any problemos bending.... i like the braided wire for my stuff.. its pretty think and super strong so i dont halfto worry about abrasion wear n tear and it fits through the eye of some pretty small hooks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 420FLYFISHIN Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 what are your guys opinions on eyes? Not so much for the weight but do you have more success on streamers/intruders that have JC or weight eyes. im starting to notice more hits on the ones i put a fake JC feather on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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