lethfisher Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Was out throwing streamers with the spey rod yesterday and noticed that my fly that I had tied looked a lot like a snake when in the flowing water. The material collapsed around the hook shank that looked fairly sizeable in the vice. Any tips on tying trout streamers to hold a solid profile when in flowing water? I'm thinking an intruder type of situation? Also would like to move away from rabbit strips as they can get difficult to cast, is there a synthetic that is similar? End goal of all this is to have a 3-4" streamer that holds is profile, pushes a lot of water, easy to cast, but is slightly heavier than neutrally buoyant so the sink tip and cast angle will dictate the depth. Thanks! Info, materials, or patterns are appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverDoctor Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 If you tie a "ball" of dubbing behind the front hackle of your intruder, it will force it out and make the fly look bulkier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muha Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 You could palmer some schlapen up to the eye, then make a dubbing loop and spin some polar hair, you can throw in some arctic fox guard hairs in the mix as well. This will give you a nice bait fish profile once you comb it back. Pushes plenty of water and moves like natural Fibre. It does not get waterlogged like rabbit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigdirty Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Muha, any pics/links of a fly built like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muha Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I'll post some when I get home. hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayhad Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 muha has it, palmer schlappin. I will use two or three feathers if I want more "body" and sometimes I will palmer it backwards as I feel the fibres don't fold over as easily in water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigdirty Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Nice looking streamers! thanks for posting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigdirty Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 a different approach, probably the opposite of what your looking for Lethfisher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverDoctor Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 and this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethfisher Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 Those are excellent looking streamers! I like the palmered schlappen look. I'll try out the dub ball for sure to get some extra flair. SilverDoc, the stinger is great on that one, very sparse looking fly that won't get waterlogged. Does it retain profile in the water? Are you using the dubbing ball behind what looks like marabou to keep it flared? Thanks for the input! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverDoctor Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Those are excellent looking streamers! I like the palmered schlappen look. I'll try out the dub ball for sure to get some extra flair. SilverDoc, the stinger is great on that one, very sparse looking fly that won't get waterlogged. Does it retain profile in the water? Are you using the dubbing ball behind what looks like marabou to keep it flared? Thanks for the input! You need to be sparse to have the Intruder sink quickly but with a large silhouette. I like a large dubbing ball using a dubbing loop with material like seal, polar bear, arctic fox etc. Think of it as propping up an umbrella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethfisher Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 Just a follow up after a few hours at the vise. Tied a black and white version. Black - barbless octopus hook as a stinger - black EP fibre - polar chenille - black marabou - red/orange EP fibre spun in a dub loop - cone head for a little weight White - same as black except the tail is super hair instead of EP and some white ice dub they seem to hold their teardrop shape fairly well in the water which is what I wanted. Marabou is very light and EP/super hair is meant more for salt flies which don't hold water much when casting, sweeeeeet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigdirty Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 looking good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muha Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 EP is a little stiff, polar hair (coarse not the Super fine stuff). Material is a lot more mobile and has some taper to it, where EP is same diameter. For salt water it works, for fresh water you have to tie hollow technique to get the most out of EP, and sparse. Nice ties! Get a velcro patch to comb out and form EP. Comb out your dubbing loop before you wind it on. Good rule of thumb for eP is to use half or 1/3 of what you actually think you need. I would personally omit ep from patterns like intruder, it's is better used for over wing streamers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethfisher Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 Here's a pic of it in flowing water. Must have worked as it fooled two fish 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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