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On 4/24/2022 at 10:01 AM, lad said:
Northern Saskatchewan is a nice place to fish or hunt for sure. I would just like to fish lakes that have less pressure than Slims cabins. Not interested in any places that do have roads into them and the ones i am interested in have little to no traffic. Was thinking of flying in and using the cabins, that is why i was interested in pics of cabins. No way to get to the lakes in the summer other than walking or flying.
Look into driving to Southend on Reindeer Lake and charter a flight out of there.
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From what I've heard through many a conversation with a lot of fisherman over the years, just go to Saskatchewan! Piles of DIY options as there is 1000x more lakes, both fly in and drive in. Just look Slims cabins out of Sandy Bay.
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On 2/24/2022 at 8:32 PM, SkwalaStonefly said:
Does anyone out there have info on whether small creeks flowing through private land are public and accessible, as are rivers? I believe that they are (unless the land owner has special provisions in their deed), but would like to see it in writing somewhere but have not found a source for this.
This topic has been discussed and debated in-depth on this platform. Yes the waterway itself is public access, nothing above the high water mark which is where "the grass meets the mud" mark. Basically you have to stay in the water and proper etiquette says get permission.
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15 minutes ago, jayanderson said:21 hours ago, bcubed said:
This was talked about at the meeting. Recruitment from the Highwood is not the problem. Bug life is not the problem. Birds are not the problem.
Each fish getting caught 6x a year is.
I know Albertan's love hearing this phrase, but its time to look in the mirror on our own impacts...
I haven't fished the Bow in a couple years now because of it condition. I'm largely in favour of massive regulation change such as seasonal closures, single barbless, etc. Would be highly in favour of a conservation stamp/endorsement/fee increase for the Bow to fund the fishery. All that being stated I'm very sceptical that regulation change is going to have the impact we desire and the things you and the AEP state "aren't a problem" are actually much bigger problems than realized. Whirling disease has been a major problem in every single watershed it's entered into, not the Bow?
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21 hours ago, bcubed said:
This was talked about at the meeting. Recruitment from the Highwood is not the problem. Bug life is not the problem. Birds are not the problem.
Each fish getting caught 6x a year is.
I know Albertan's love hearing this phrase, but its time to look in the mirror on our own impacts...
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20 hours ago, FraserN said:
I agree with bcubed. I caught over 100 trout on the Bow this season, and killed at least 2. One was a 15 inch rainbow that took a stonefly nymph in the gills and could not be saved. Up in the Nw stretch, that would be a 3 year old+ fish. The majority of trout I caught were small rainbows and Browns under 10 inches on small flies, so recruitment doesn't seem to be a problem. The young rainbows looked very healthy, so a recovery from whirling disease is likely happening. The main thing is a lack of larger Rainbows caught. I strongly suspect, at least in the city, that they get caught and released too many times, and these bigger fish succumb to the ordeal. As a result of being highly proficient at catching trout on the river now, my impact is affecting the fishery. Next year I have decided to voluntarily fish 50% less days on the river. I would also like to see closures for winter fishing, and during spawning times. It will be interesting to see how they go ahead with management decisions for the river. I do want to see the river, especially in the city stretches, recover to a state it once was in several decades ago.
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2 hours ago, SilverDoctor said:
Like the song says "You don't know what you've got till it's gone".
Certainly there have been a variety of factors for the crash of trout. Back in the early 80's when I settled my family here. The bug life was profuse. Big hatches of a large variety of mayflies would often coat the water. You had to keep your mouth closed or risk ingestion of an unexpected meal. Now large stone-flies like the Skwala's Drakes and Salmon flies are short seldom seen hatches. Not sure if the conditions/water quality have changed so much as to deplete not only these but other bug-life. Lots of studies about trout number but very few on habitat, food sources and minnow populations.
You aren't the only one I've heard/seen commenting on the quality of hatches and the state of aquatic ecosystems on the Bow. Without an abundance of food/insect life it will be impossible for a river to reach a high carrying capacity for a large number of trout.
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On 11/3/2021 at 10:54 AM, PAV said:
Good point, is it possible that low water, warm water, stream degradation due to the flood and poaching on the Highwood is impacting the natural recruitment of rainbow trout for the Bow River? A trial stocking program to restore the numbers could be a good option to offset these potential issues with the Bow's major spawning tributary. Not to mention stream/spawning enhancements for the Highwood would help the Bow, no?
The issues with the Highwood should be included, at the top of the list, for any management plans for the Bow as far as I'm concerned.
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On 10/29/2021 at 8:08 AM, fishteck said:The Bow River - Alberta's Worst Kept SecretAlberta Conservation Association's 2021 Fall/Winter Conservation Magazine - page 2021
https://issuu.com/albertaconservationassociation/docs/aca_cm_fall_2021_interactive/s/13737707
AEP discussion group Wednesday November 03, 2021 7PM. Details follow:
https://mywildalberta.ca/fishing/fisheries-management/default.aspx
How come stocking the Bow never seems to be raised as a solution if not the only solution to the declining sport fishery in the Bow river. It's time the Bow get treated for what it is, a polluted tailwater full of non-native fish infected with WD. An on-river hatchery using "wild" genetics taken directly from the river could easily be implemented and should be the number one demand of the angling community that uses the Bow. Fund it using a conservation stamp/endorsement, Surcharge guided days and solicit corporate donations. When one reads the ACA article it's really quite clear that reducing angling pressure will most likely do very little to increase fish population and the decline will continue until nothing remains as the other 4 factors of the "Big 5" aren't changing anytime soon.
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The attempts at limiting angling pressure on the Bow will prove fruitless in actually impact on the fishery, this includes guiding. For a river that runs through a metropolis of over a million people it receives light to moderate fishing pressure but its actually the metropolis itself that's the problem. The Bow is suffering a "death by a thousand cuts" scenario caused by human encroachment in the Bow valley and surrounding watersheds. It's time face the fact the Bow is a tailwater, full of non native fish, infected with WD that will be in a constant state of decline unless it becomes a stocked water. I know many don't want to hear this but it's really the only solution, a trial enhancement project has to be implemented and soon.
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I'm looking for a business that would custom make a set of snap in carpets for my Koffler Rocky Mountain Trout drift boat. Looking to protect fly lines from being stepped on, quite things down, etc.
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Floods, rampant poaching and an ever growing population of walleye and pike have made the brown trout's life quite difficult in the Red Deer river. I've only fished it since 2011 when I moved to Red Deer but with each passing year their numbers seem to decrease a bit. I've spoken with quite a few members of the local fly fishing community and it seems water quality and hatch numbers aren't what they once were as well.
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2 hours ago, Jayhad said:
I am 100% against a CW system, it benefits one user group, Guides. If you think BC is a model of fishing quality let me know when you land a steelhead in spences bridge.
so lets get to the meat and potatoes of this issue, you want more fish and less people around YOU when fishing.
well unfortunately we live in an area where the population is rising and resource isn't.
So what's the solution? Taxation? Taxation is the solution? If too much of something is being consumed and we want less consumption, we should tax it? Like carbon?
Isn't there easier solutions than getting the man involved?
The question is how do we get less anglers on the water any given day?
why cant you guys complaining start by not fishing these areas?
you know the problem is too many anglers, why do you compound the problem?
You have the power to self limit but you need the government to make the decision for you, I don't understand that.
if just the regular users of this forum didn't hit the SW streams for a season there would be an improvement.
limiting out of province users is a red herring in 2015 we had 303,212 Resident licenses and 10,193 Non-Resident licenses sold; 2017 saw a decline to 294,037 Resident licenses with 4225 Non-Resident licenses. So by limiting out of province anglers we can at best make a 3% change.... come on.
The guys from Alberta fishing the SW streams are responsible for the quality of the fishing on said streams. If fishing was banned there for a few years when returning the fishing would be amaze balls.
A CW system isn't about limiting angling pressure, it's more about revenue generation. Why give away a resource which other jurisdictions charge heavily for? BTW this whole whirling disease debacle is going to need $$$, big time
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I'm all for the implementation of a CW system for the SW streams, not as a way to limit angling pressure (but that might be a side benefit) but for revenue generation and as a way to collect general angling information. Also, guides/guiding must become regulated and taxed/fees charged accordingly. I love fishing on the east slopes few days each season, maybe 3 or 4 days tops on a good year, fishing drys to rising fishing and then I leave those fish alone. I heard of a great idea a few years back from a fellow angler for an endorsement stamp type of licensing system with a fee paid for each watershed fished with the revenue generated staying on that watershed/river system for enhancement and enforcement. I think the fly fishing community in Alberta should put more pressure on the gov't to improve/enhance to quality of the lake fishing experience, it might take some pressure off the rivers. Sorry I kind of rambled there but so many things that tie together I'd have to right an essay.
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9 hours ago, bcubed said:
There isn't really anywhere else to get out unless you're willing to go talk to landowners, as there isnt any direct roads to the river. The guy that runs the RV joint at the bridge above Glenwood has definitely chased off people trying to use the campsite to pull their boats out, so either talk to him ahead of time (and be prepped to pay a camping fee to get your boat out), or to slide it up the road allowance at the bridge..Which is not a small bank. Moreso, the stuff below the dam gets hot, FAST in the summer.... turns more into a walleye river then trout pretty quick in my experience
thanks for the info! how long is the drift? I'm thinking a very long day
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I've been very interested in drifting the tailwater section of the Waterton and am wondering if anyone out there has any experience with floating this stretch of river? I've got a 13ft NRS raft w/fishing frame that great for tough access and low water conditions. I'm wondering about the time/distance covered during the normal post run off conditions, is it a long one day or needs 2 days? Is there a place to take out before the bridge crossing north of Glenwood? Any info would be greatly appreciated
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The question to be asked is what is the new fly fisherman expecting of the outing? will it be more hiking than fishing? 8kms can be a challenging distance depending on conditions like terrain and weather. Someone new to the sport might get tired and discouraged by encountering a lot of variables that vets just brush off as part of the day.
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For me the eastern slope streams have always just been the occasional mid-week day trip runs, especially during summer holidays/camping season. Some really good dry fly action to be had in September and even into October if the weather co-operates and then you can avoid the crowds!
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2 hours ago, northfork said:
Where did you read that none of us have permission to access creeks via private land? I know there is at least three of us in this thread that do.... And I do get your point - I have permission on a handful of places I access creeks to fish, and I hunt predominately private land myself too, but I guess we're all idiots....
Are you new to fly fishing? I think most of us on these brown trout creeks aren't fishing just a half mile stretch of creek, so why would you spend hours if not days trying to track down all owners and renters along a creek to ask permission to use public land? It is absolutely not inexcusable to not make a phone call or knock on a door.... For some places I fish it would take me all day to try and track owners and renters down to get "permission" to fish through their quarter sections. I love how you criminalize fly fisherman for "trespassing". We don't need to ask for permission to cross their property via the creek below the high water mark, plain and simple, it's not abusing a loophole whatsoever. 90% of the places most of us fish I think we could agree that there are never any issues with landowners. There are just exceptions that don't want anyone fishing, hunting, etc. Most weren't made that way and you're right is people legitimately trespassing or having a lack of courtesy that makes them how they are and ruins it for the rest of us, but there are still the crusty guys who've just always never wanted anyone out there. It is what it is. It has nothing to do with respect. High water mark is high water mark, with very very few exceptions PRIVATE LANDOWNERS DO NOT OWN THE CREEK/RIVER/STREAM: THE WATER, THE FISH, THE BOTTOM - THEY OWN NONE OF IT.
The thread was started to get some information and learn how to deal with it. I will not be intimiated by bully ranchers. It's a mutual respect thing - I don't go on their property, they don't have an issue. If you catch me on your pasture above the high water mark without permission, sure, that's a different story, but not the one we're discussing. Don't assume we're all idiots and ignorant city folks because like you there's several of us have an agriculturual background...
Sorry Northfork, my post took a shot people posting on this thread and I really should have stated what was my personal experience with steam access and trespass. I've had heated conversation with a couple of farmers while using road allowance to access crown lands for elk hunting, I understand there are those out there that just don't want you/me/us on their property no matter what the case may be. If what Bcubed stated is correct and it's generally interpreted as the 1-2 year high-water mark, basically where "the grass meets the mud", you've got to stay in the water which makes makes moving through some of these streams very difficult and dealing with brown trout damn near impossible. As to the question "Are you new to fly fishing?" I've covered enough water to know that when conditions are right I need a lot less than a half a mile stretch to enjoy myself.
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I can't believe how many people posting do not have the courtesy to ask land owners for access to property! With all of the information that is really available (county maps, iHunter app) it is inexcusable not to make a phone call or knock on a door, shake a hand and state your business. As someone who has spent years hunting on private land and being farmed raised I find it hard to fathom how many people in this sport claim a right to trespass by way of a loophole that is meant to protect navigation/commerce (the movement of goods and services by way of water, example one logging company couldn't buy of a section of river to stop another company moving logs, or as applies to mining, fur trade etc.) People are spending thousands on gear/fuel and won't spend the money for a few maps and couldn't be troubled by a simple human interaction. This year I lost access due to some land changing ownership and I can totally sympathize with the land owner's reasoning, too many people trespassing without permission! I hadn't been out on the land in question for a couple years but heard rumour of it changing hands, checked the maps, went for a drive and knocked on his door. We had a good friendly talk for well over an hour, lots to BS about as I come from a family farm background, and he explained some of the trouble he's had with the going's on and the lack of courtesy/respect. He runs a third generation small mixed farm operation who worked oil and gas when times weren't that rosy for agriculture and put three kids through university. It took hard work and smarts to get his hand on that quarter, people didn't respect that. Show some respect out there!
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With a lot of worry and concern being directed at the Bow river, here is some food for thought. It has been the focus of a few studies and some scientific research, the negative effects of birth control and other pharmaceuticals on the sexual development and reproductive health of fish and other aquatic life. Calgary has over doubled in population in the past 30 years? what has this done to the river in terms of the the amount of mentioned toxins in the watershed. I think the problems in the Bow drainage have moved well beyond angling pressure and poor fish handling. Fish the Bow and enjoy it while there is something left. Reducing angling pressure, season closures will do nothing for it.
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There are many anglers out there, of all demographics, who simply believe they are entitled to catch fish by any legal means. Personally I've been lucky enough to have an accomplished fly fisherman and conservationist take me under his wing and inform me of some of the unwritten rules. No nymphing for cutthroats on the Eastslopes, dry flies only, same goes for the Raven, Stauffer, Prairie Creek etc. Targeting Browns in streams/creeks with streamers is in poor taste. My buddies and I fish the central creeks/streams for 6 weeks ish in the spring/early summer, catching a hand full of nice browns on dry flies, then we leave those waters alone for the rest of the year. I'm privileged in the fact that being a single man with expendable income and a work schedule that affords lots of time to fish and hunt I can pick and choose target species and bodies of water with the best potential but I'm not the norm. Educating the angling public is important for conservation but the fisheries management plan of this province has the drastically change to enhance opportunities.
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I would think that the powers that be should be seriously considering enhancing/stocking the Bow. Why not have a hatchery built right in/on the river itself? this could be funded through conservation stamps, guide licensing/fees. The Bow isn't being fished to death and the c&r anglers are not the problem.
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Thanks for this update Don!
wet wadding boots
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Simms flyweight are an awesome all around boot! I wear them with neoprene socks for wet wading and with my waders, so much that I very rarely ever put on my G3s. If it's very cold and/or fast current I'll put on G3s for safety. The Flyweight are like a comfortable hiking boot, well worth the money and have stood up to a fair amount of wear and tear.